Alphadawg7 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 14 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: He's 24. 3rd team. I don't know. Huh? First team traded, for a good price too because Beane said they didn't think they could resign him. Then Sammy took a $16M deal in Free Agency, a price the Rams cant pay with money already invested in Woods and a bad contract with Austin. So how does that make him a journeyman? You act like teams are cutting him lmao. A player choosing where to sign does not make him a journeyman. Only one team sent him away, and Beane said it was strictly based on not being able to afford what he would command, which was true as he wasn't gonna pay a WR $16M. And he got back a 2nd and a good DB in the trade. I think you have a skewed definition of what a journeyman player is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: Huh? First team traded, for a good price too because Beane said they didn't think they could resign him. Then Sammy took a $16M deal in Free Agency, a price the Rams cant pay with money already invested in Woods and a bad contract with Austin. So how does that make him a journeyman? You act like teams are cutting him lmao. A player choosing where to sign does not make him a journeyman. Only one team sent him away, and Beane said it was strictly based on not being able to afford what he would command, which was true as he wasn't gonna pay a WR $16M. And he got back a 2nd and a good DB in the trade. I think you have a skewed definition of what a journeyman player is. Perhaps. Let's review to be clear. 2 teams felt the need to move on from him. Maybe....just maybe KC is more accepting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 42 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: Perhaps. Let's review to be clear. 2 teams felt the need to move on from him. Maybe....just maybe KC is more accepting. Except what you just said isnt true or accurate. Sammy choosing to sign with KC is not the Rams "moving on" from hm. Seems you not only struggle to understand what a "journeyman" player is, but also struggle with what the term "Free Agency" means. Edited March 13, 2018 by Alphadawg7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzReaper Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I keep reading Sammy is a deep threat.... That guy can run any route in the tree and pretty good at that. So I can't really say Goff didn't get him the ball enough due to his deep ball crappiness. He must've been running the deep routes bc he was obviously the best WR to run those routes for LA. He can run any route plus has the speed to burn you deep. He draws double coverage... Period. He's going to have a good few years in KC now that he isn't the only pony on the team that can burn guys deep. It'll open things up for him. I think he's going to finally breakout down there in K.C. The talent is there like it or not... NFL people can see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: But I again disagree with that. Sammy was open a lot and never got a ball thrown his way, that just was not the Rams offense. . Why won't anyone throw to an open Sammy? 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: Except what you just said isnt true or accurate. Sammy choosing to sign with KC is not the Rams "moving on" from hm. Seems you not only struggle to understand what a "journeyman" player is, but also struggle with what the term "Free Agency" means. They made no effort to keep him. So they moved on without Sammy. I don't think this is a tough one to conceive of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Why won't anyone throw to an open Sammy? They made no effort to keep him. So they moved on without Sammy. I don't think this is a tough one to conceive of... Rams not being able to match what KC is not the Rams "moving on"...its not like these teams have endless cap space man, come on, I know you understand that as you are a good poster. Rams paid Woods and have a bad contract in Austin. Not to mention a ton of weapons and other needs. A team cant keep investing a massive part of their cap in one position. They got Woods and Austin deals before Sammy was a Ram. They wanted to keep him and KC paid top dollar and Sammy took the bigger contract and went to a good situation with another offensive minded coach. More importantly Woods, Kupp, and the other weapons there are still deep and cheap allowing the Rams to spend more around the team. They were never going to pay him, or any WR for that matter, $16M per year once Kupp and Woods emerged as cheaper and still very effective players. This is so far from being a "journeyman" career...free agency gave the player the right to choose. Painting it to be the other way around is just trying to create a narrative to fit ones negative opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Rams not being able to match what KC is not the Rams "moving on"...its not like these teams have endless cap space man, come on, I know you understand that as you are a good poster. Rams paid Woods and have a bad contract in Austin. Not to mention a ton of weapons and other needs. A team cant keep investing a massive part of their cap in one position. They got Woods and Austin deals before Sammy was a Ram. They wanted to keep him and KC paid top dollar and Sammy took the bigger contract and went to a good situation with another offensive minded coach. More importantly Woods, Kupp, and the other weapons there are still deep and cheap allowing the Rams to spend more around the team. They were never going to pay him, or any WR for that matter, $16M per year once Kupp and Woods emerged as cheaper and still very effective players. This is so far from being a "journeyman" career...free agency gave the player the right to choose. Painting it to be the other way around is just trying to create a narrative to fit ones negative opinion. They could have franchised him. There was speculation that they would. But as you clearly pointed out, the cheaper and talented rest of the WR corps made him non vital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: They could have franchised him. There was speculation that they would. But as you clearly pointed out, the cheaper and talented rest of the WR corps made him non vital. LMAO Franchise tag is $15.98M for a WR...you know the same $16M KC just paid him. Not to mention, Rams will likely get a 3rd pick by not keeping Sammy...so franchising Sammy would cost them $16M and a 3rd round pick...for a team that already has a lot of money invested in WR's. Come on man...you say that as if franchise salaries dont count against the cap lol. Geezus. I get it, you don't like Sammy so you want to spin everything to be negative to serve your dislike. Its nonsense, but hey, if it helps you sleep at night to believe someone gave up on Sammy instead of Sammy taking the bigger contract in free agency, then go right ahead bud. Senseless to discuss it further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 19 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: LMAO Franchise tag is $15.98M for a WR...you know the same $16M KC just paid him. Not to mention, Rams will likely get a 3rd pick by not keeping Sammy...so franchising Sammy would cost them $16M and a 3rd round pick...for a team that already has a lot of money invested in WR's. Come on man...you say that as if franchise salaries dont count against the cap lol. Geezus. I get it, you don't like Sammy so you want to spin everything to be negative to serve your dislike. Its nonsense, but hey, if it helps you sleep at night to believe someone gave up on Sammy instead of Sammy taking the bigger contract in free agency, then go right ahead bud. Senseless to discuss it further. Exactly. Same amount to keep him for a year. If the Rams really wanted to keep him, months ago they would have been able to do so for less than 48 million over 3 years. They didn't think he was worth it and, again, as you pointed out, he had more value as a potential future pick and less money on their cap. Spin it whatever way you want----the Rams moved on from Sammy. He cashed in--good for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Except what you just said isnt true or accurate. Sammy choosing to sign with KC is not the Rams "moving on" from hm. Seems you not only struggle to understand what a "journeyman" player is, but also struggle with what the term "Free Agency" means. Let's just say two teams decided he wasn't important enough to keep around. Maybe KC he can settle in - you know- prove his worth. Feel better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just be thankful we have a GM smarter than this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: I get what you are saying, and they are fair and reasonable points. But my answer to that is no. What the Chiefs want are wins. They dont care who puts up what stat, they paid Sammy $16M a year to make the offense better, not to be a force fed stat machine. And Andy Reid has never done that. Sammy significantly opens up this offense. Hill is small and not a true #1. He is a guy whose stats are reliant on big plays, not a guy they can lean on for key first downs just because he doesn't have the size to do so. Kelce is a TE, but because they dont have a legit #1 they often double Kelce in those situations. Then you got Hunt, but once teams started stacking the box to stop Hunt, KC went away from the run game as much and were forced to try and win throwing. But if Hill doesn't get the big play, the Chiefs offense went stagnant and they had a skid until they found a way to get Hunt going again. Them adding Sammy isnt about having one guy be a stat machine. They have one of the best 2 TE's in football. They have what looks like a future top 5 RB (need to see his sophomore season to really know, one year doesn't make a career), and one of the most explosive weapons in the NFL in Hill. What they want is production from all of them, being one dimensional is not how you win in the NFL. Not to mention, KC isnt going to try and put too much on their kid QB out the gate either. They want to use him like the Rams used Goff...balanced attack, build the kid up. Hunt is a similar player to Gurley...power, explosion, and can catch. Take the pressure off the kid. Look at how good the Rams offense was, yet no one had 1000 yards receiving, or even 800 yards. Its not about his stat box, its about scoring points and winning games. So no, I dont think there is some predetermined stat line for Sammy unless there are injuries to the other weapons and they lean on Sammy. 75 rec and 1100 yards would be over 14ypc, I am pretty sure they will be quite thrilled with that to go along with good seasons from Kelce, Hill, and Hunt. Tyreek Hill (5' 10" 185 lbs) too small? Not a true #1 because he's too small? Antonio Brown (5" 10" 186lbs) says hello. You're freaking brilliant. Anyway, I see you're getting out in front with the excuses for Sammy. You know, it's not about the stats.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: Tyreek Hill (5' 10" 185 lbs) too small? Not a true #1 because he's too small? Antonio Brown (5" 10" 186lbs) says hello. You're freaking brilliant. Anyway, I see you're getting out in front with the excuses for Sammy. You know, it's not about the stats.... Lmao...so everyone who matches in size is now comparable hahaha...Antonio is one of the most gifted WR's to ever play in our generation and will finish his career as one of the statistical greatest ever and will likely be seen by most people as top 10 or top 5 ever to play the game. There are ALWAYS players who exceed their limitations. Tyreek Hill is NOT Antonio Brown, at least not yet. Kid has a lot ahead of him, but he is no AB right now. Its rare a WR that size becomes a true #1 to lean on, and the way they do is by being exceptional in the other areas where size doesn't matter...speed, route running, hands, etc. Steve Smith was another gifted WR in a smaller package...it happens, but its not the norm. Hill can absolutely succeed in the NFL at that height, and is, but KC clearly felt having another guy bigger than him would only help Hill and the Chiefs be better and bet $16M per year on that. And again...KC just paid Sammy the #1 WR money...so guess they see things differently than you too. Keep spinning your biased arm chair GM stuff while the NFL keeps telling you different, DC's who double Sammy and put best corner on him tell you different, teams giving up a lot to get Sammy tell you different, his contract and depth chart ranking tells you different. But then again...your on TSW, so guess your stuff means more than what the NFL thinks...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Lmao...so everyone who matches in size is now comparable hahaha...Antonio is one of the most gifted WR's to ever play in our generation and will finish his career as one of the statistical greatest ever and will likely be seen by most people as top 10 or top 5 ever to play the game. There are ALWAYS players who exceed their limitations. Tyreek Hill is NOT Antonio Brown, at least not yet. Kid has a lot ahead of him, but he is no AB right now. Its rare a WR that size becomes a true #1 to lean on, and the way they do is by being exceptional in the other areas where size doesn't matter...speed, route running, hands, etc. Steve Smith was another gifted WR in a smaller package...it happens, but its not the norm. Hill can absolutely succeed in the NFL at that height, and is, but KC clearly felt having another guy bigger than him would only help Hill and the Chiefs be better and bet $16M per year on that. And again...KC just paid Sammy the #1 WR money...so guess they see things differently than you too. Keep spinning your biased arm chair GM stuff while the NFL keeps telling you different, DC's who double Sammy and put best corner on him tell you different, teams giving up a lot to get Sammy tell you different, his contract and depth chart ranking tells you different. But then again...your on TSW, so guess your stuff means more than what the NFL thinks...lol Hey know-it-all.....you're the one who said Hill couldn't be leaned on because of his size. Let's get back to Sammy. He's a good player. He has NOT lived up to his billing. He is on his 3rd team at his ripe old age. He has an excellent opportunity to be the man in KC. Let's see if he can distinguish himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: Hey know-it-all.....you're the one who said Hill couldn't be leaned on because of his size. Let's get back to Sammy. He's a good player. He has NOT lived up to his billing. He is on his 3rd team at his ripe old age. He has an excellent opportunity to be the man in KC. Let's see if he can distinguish himself. Lol, I am only addressing things you send to me...call it or me what you want. You called Watkins a journeyman which started this in the first place. And thats just a silly statement to call a guy because he got a max contract type deal and chose to sign somewhere else. But finally the rest of your post is something I can agree with. So lets see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: Lol, I am only addressing things you send to me...call it or me what you want. You called Watkins a journeyman which started this in the first place. And thats just a silly statement to call a guy because he got a max contract type deal and chose to sign somewhere else. But finally the rest of your post is something I can agree with. So lets see what happens. Saluti! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: Saluti! Ditto...GO BILLS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 DRAFT@PlayDraft 10h Sammy Watkins is basically a human Ponzi scheme, he has cost teams two 1st round picks, a 2nd, a 4th, and ~$70m, and no investors have been paid back 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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26CornerBlitz Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 The three-year deal signed by receiver Sammy Watkins with the Chiefs is as simple as a contract can be. The details appear below. 1. $21 million signing bonus. 2. 2018 base salary (fully guaranteed): $790,000. 3. 2019 base salary ($8.21 million of which is fully guaranteed): $11.95 million. 4. 2020 base salary: $13.75 million. The deal also has a $10,000 workout bonus this year, along with $250,000 workout bonuses in 2019 and 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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