thebandit27 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 13 minutes ago, jrober38 said: When has a QB who was describe as having real accuracy problems coming out of college, ever corrected them and become a franchise QB in the NFL? It doesn't happen. Accuracy can be refined and tweaked. It can't be taught from the ground up. Once again you're using the nebulous factor of "described" to cushion an unsupported argument. Allen doesn't need accuracy taught from the ground up; he needs refinement on his shorter throws--they lack touch and timing (the latter, of course, could easily be ascribed to lack of experience with the guys he played with in his final year at Wyoming, but let's stay on point here). As for "descriptions", let me go ahead and throw these out there: QB1 - "Sloppy footwork. ... Will get lazy and throw off his back foot, which could lead to turnovers in the NFL... Not great accuracy on crossing routes. ... Too often leads his receivers too far or forces them to reach back, slowing their momentum and limiting their ability to generate yardage after the catch." Matthew Stafford QB2 - "Accuracy on intermediate and deep throws dropped sharply. " Dak Prescott QB3 - "Can still be a streaky and erratic passer. Needs work on his drop-back techniques. Still must improve timing, touch and anticipation of receiver. " Donovan McNabb QB4 - "Inconsistent accuracy due to poor footwork and falling away to avoid a big hit." Cam Newton Now go ahead with the "yeah buts". 15 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said: Brett Favre Don't tell me that was long ago, he threw the ball a lot If accuracy is a problem due to foot work, then yes, it can be taught from the ground up. I like @jrober38; good poster who does the homework on guys. I also think that he's dug in on this one and will simply keep coming up with new ways to knock Allen's chances at becoming a good pro. Hey, sometimes we're simply dug in on guys; it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 24 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Once again you're using the nebulous factor of "described" to cushion an unsupported argument. Allen doesn't need accuracy taught from the ground up; he needs refinement on his shorter throws--they lack touch and timing (the latter, of course, could easily be ascribed to lack of experience with the guys he played with in his final year at Wyoming, but let's stay on point here). As for "descriptions", let me go ahead and throw these out there: QB1 - "Sloppy footwork. ... Will get lazy and throw off his back foot, which could lead to turnovers in the NFL... Not great accuracy on crossing routes. ... Too often leads his receivers too far or forces them to reach back, slowing their momentum and limiting their ability to generate yardage after the catch." Hide contents Matthew Stafford QB2 - "Accuracy on intermediate and deep throws dropped sharply. " Hide contents Dak Prescott QB3 - "Can still be a streaky and erratic passer. Needs work on his drop-back techniques. Still must improve timing, touch and anticipation of receiver. " Hide contents Donovan McNabb QB4 - "Inconsistent accuracy due to poor footwork and falling away to avoid a big hit." Hide contents Cam Newton Now go ahead with the "yeah buts". I like @jrober38; good poster who does the homework on guys. I also think that he's dug in on this one and will simply keep coming up with new ways to knock Allen's chances at becoming a good pro. Hey, sometimes we're simply dug in on guys; it happens. Seems like many on this board are 100% convinced Allen has no chance to be good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 19 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: Anyone have a guess on what type of 40 Jackson is expected to run? I mean if he runs like a 4.3 and throws the ball well, then what? I'm guessing he's around a 4.4-4.45 but we'll see. He's my #1 QB in the draft regardless of what he runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 1 hour ago, BillsFan2313 said: Brett Favre Don't tell me that was long ago, he threw the ball a lot If accuracy is a problem due to foot work, then yes, it can be taught from the ground up. So you've got one example of a guy with accuracy problems from the past 25 years who meaningfully improved his accuracy in the NFL. Don't you think that kind of discredits your second statement? Wouldn't there be more guys to look at if it were true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 26 minutes ago, jrober38 said: So you've got one example of a guy with accuracy problems from the past 25 years who meaningfully improved his accuracy in the NFL. Don't you think that kind of discredits your second statement? Wouldn't there be more guys to look at if it were true? This is what I don't get when someone is proven wrong. You ask a question, not saying it has to be in this time frame, or more than 1 example. Instead of saying, oh yeah, Brett Favre did have terrible accuracy in college, and is now in the HOF, I guess it can happen. It is, "oh so 1 player in the last 25 years". I don't have the time to go full on research for you. I gave an example of someone off the top of my head. You clearly have an agenda, and won't budge off of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 36 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said: This is what I don't get when someone is proven wrong. You ask a question, not saying it has to be in this time frame, or more than 1 example. Instead of saying, oh yeah, Brett Favre did have terrible accuracy in college, and is now in the HOF, I guess it can happen. It is, "oh so 1 player in the last 25 years". I don't have the time to go full on research for you. I gave an example of someone off the top of my head. You clearly have an agenda, and won't budge off of it. Hey, if you think one QB in 25 years is some sort of trend, they go ahead. I think most people would conclude that players with accuracy issues rarely if ever correct them. I'm not okay investing a top 10 pick into a guy who history clearly says is nothing more than a long shot to ever become a quality player. His upside is very high, but the odds of achieving that upside I don't think are anymore than 5%, with it more likely than not he's a complete bust. Boom or bust prospects like Allen should get drafted in the 3rd or 4th round because they're clearly way more likely going to bust than boom. Picking guys like that in the first round is always a recipe for disaster that gets coaches and GMs fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, DCOrange said: I'm guessing he's around a 4.4-4.45 but we'll see. He's my #1 QB in the draft regardless of what he runs. Mine too!! Don't be surprised if Cleveland pick him at 4 Edited March 26, 2018 by the skycap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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