Won't anyone think of the poor, sensitive Lawful Gun Owner?

[LA Grant]

57 minutes ago, Dante said:

I think so. He can be good if he wants to play. Sharks got him for not much so I guess nothing to lose? I was hoping for a mega deal to land Taveras but that never happened. 

But don't you think the cause of this is the larger, more frightening issue? Is it drugs, mental illness, broken families?? I don't know but this is the bigger societal problem that has to be seriously looked at. It's like why cure cancer? Isn't it better to find out what's causing it? If it's bad water lets address it. If it's gmo shitey food lets address that.

 

Some of this can be handled as public policy, but you're right, you could draw causes from basically anything, and as such, policy will only get us so far toward the solution. One simple, practical, tangible answer is that as parents or teachers, we need to make sure we are really paying attention to our boys & understanding them.  

[TakeYouToTasker]

No, we don't need to empower the Center for Diease Control to explore gun control as science.

 

"Shall not be infringed"

[DC Tom]

38 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

No, we don't need to empower the Center for Diease Control to explore gun control as science.

 

"Shall not be infringed"

 

Particularly not as a disease.  

[Joe Miner]

2 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Particularly not as a disease.  

 

 

Is that a disease pot can cure?

 

Is the solution here that all gun owners should used pot regularly?

[Kelly101]

4 hours ago, Tiberius said:

He actually had never been arrested, even if many people were complaining about him he had never done anything violent before. 

 

Happy with Kane trade? 

wow. racist is code for white people, we all are aware by now.

because only the white devil is capable of hate amirite

[LA Grant]

3 hours ago, DC Tom said:

Particularly not as a disease.  

 

Aha. Well, there's the issue, right there. First step to recovery is admitting you have a problem in the first place. I suppose you could argue guns are neither a substance nor abused, or that gun violence is not a disease. I've seen every other kind of mental gymnastics through the last 20 pages so wouldn't be shocking.

 

3 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

No, we don't need to empower the Center for Diease Control to explore gun control as science.

 

"Shall not be infringed"

 

Certainly this is what the Founders hoped American citizenry would do — obstruct researchers by any means necessary.

[DC Tom]

14 minutes ago, LA Grant said:

 

Aha. Well, there's the issue, right there. First step to recovery is admitting you have a problem in the first place. I suppose you could argue guns are neither a substance nor abused, or that gun violence is not a disease. I've seen every other kind of mental gymnastics through the last 20 pages so wouldn't be shocking.

 

 

Certainly this is what the Founders hoped American citizenry would do — obstruct researchers by any means necessary.

 

The mental gymnastics would be arguing that guns are a disease.  For starters...what kind of disease are they?  Infectious?  Metabolic disorder?  Congenital impairment?  Genetic disorder?  

 

Words have meaning.  They don't just mean whatever you want them to mean at the moment.  

[LA Grant]

15 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

The mental gymnastics would be arguing that guns are a disease.  For starters...what kind of disease are they?  Infectious?  Metabolic disorder?  Congenital impairment?  Genetic disorder?  

 

Words have meaning.  They don't just mean whatever you want them to mean at the moment.  

 

Correct, words have meaning.

dis·ease

dəˈzēz/

noun

noun: disease; plural noun: diseases; noun: dis-ease; plural noun: dis-eases

1. a disorder of structure or function in a human, animal, or plant, especially one that produces specific signs or symptoms or that affects a specific location and is not simply a direct result of physical injury.

   "bacterial meningitis is a rare disease"

   synonyms:

   illness, sickness, ill health; More

   • a particular quality, habit, or disposition regarded as adversely affecting a person or group of people.

      

      

Gun violence is uniquely an American problem for a reason. 

 

As you noted rightly earlier, mass shooters aren't ideological but there are recurring symptoms. Attraction to guns & weaponry is certainly one we've seen consistently. Is there provably a correlation between "attraction to guns" and "definitely a mass shooter"? No, because most gun hobbyists are not mass shooters. But if it is part of a causation, part of this mental health approach I keep hearing advocates for, is this not worth researching? What compelling argument do you have to present against simple research, Sir Thomas of the District of Columbia?

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/upshot/compare-these-gun-death-rates-the-us-is-in-a-different-world.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/10/upshot/How-to-Prevent-Gun-Deaths-The-Views-of-Experts-and-the-Public.html

LMK if you're out of free NYT articles & need me to copy/paste.

 

GOP even supports CDC research, as well as the person who authored the ban in the first place, for goodness sake

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/374149-gop-chairman-congress-should-rethink-cdc-ban-on-gun-violence-research
 

Quote

 

 

“If it relates to mental health, that certainly should be done,” Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.), a staunch Second Amendment advocate, said Thursday during an appearance on C-SPAN’s “Newsmakers."

Goodlatte clarified that the issue likely falls under the jurisdiction of another committee, perhaps the Energy and Commerce or Appropriations panels. But he added that it would be OK for lawmakers to review the policy, especially given that the late Rep. Jay Dickey (R-Ark.), the author of the ban, later came to regret that his amendment was used to restrict funding for research on gun violence.

“I don’t think it’s inappropriate — particularly if the original author of that says it should be examined — to take a look at it,” Goodlatte said, “to see if there is a way to do that, to promote the cause, the core pursuit of the Centers for Disease Control, which is to prevent disease, not to address issues related to things that happen because someone has a disease like mental illness.” 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 28, 2018 by LA Grant

[TakeYouToTasker]

Yes, yes...

 

You're advocating gun control studied as related to labeling gun crime as a disease, and everyone else are the ones doing mental gymnastics.

 

You couldn't get through the irony with a fleet of chainsaw bayonets.

[LA Grant]

23 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

Yes, yes...

 

You're advocating gun control studied as related to labeling gun crime as a disease, and everyone else are the ones doing mental gymnastics.

 

You couldn't get through the irony with a fleet of chainsaw bayonets.

 

K. Then is mental health related to gun crime or is it not? Is a societal problem with recurring symptoms untreatable? Unfathomable to study? Someone studying gun crime somewhere is an infringement on your rights? If not the CDC, then who would you like to research, precious? Who's your preference, besides nobody? Or make the case for why gun death simply should not be studied. What've you got that we're not seeing, big guy? "We" being the majority of people who support such measures, despite what this thread might suggest. Just because it isn't already, therefore it shouldn't? Or is there another bumper sticker you haven't shown me yet? "Not my responsibility, don't tread on me"? 

[TakeYouToTasker]

Mental health is related to violent behavior.  

[Paulus]

17 hours ago, LA Grant said:

 

Oy, don't post dumb memes. https://www.snopes.com/democrat-shooters-list/

 

Also please stop electing people who get their information from dumb memes http://thehill.com/homenews/house/374941-gop-lawmaker-many-mass-shooters-end-up-being-democrats 

 

<from the back of the house> Background cheeeeeeecks http://www.chicagotribune.com/g00/news/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-mass-shootings-video-games-politics-0917-story.html?i10c.encReferrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8%3D&i10c.ua=1&i10c.dv=13

 

 

Lmao, "snopes." 

 

I don't mind you citing that, in this, a shitposting thread. 

 

I would like to say this in favor of gun control. As an old marksmanship coach I sometimes take a few friends out to the range, just to have fun. I enjoy knocking a few of the braggers down a peg, without saying a word. But, along the way, I was taken back by the amount of sane people who I really don't think should have been allowed to have a gun. The reason being, they cant shoot straight. They can now, though.  But, they didn't have the slightest idea of what they were doing, while owning some nice hardware. 

 

Also, an IQ test to vote. 

[Joe Miner]

2 hours ago, LA Grant said:

 

Correct, words have meaning.

dis·ease

dəˈzēz/

noun

noun: disease; plural noun: diseases; noun: dis-ease; plural noun: dis-eases

1. a disorder of structure or function in a human, animal, or plant, especially one that produces specific signs or symptoms or that affects a specific location and is not simply a direct result of physical injury.

   "bacterial meningitis is a rare disease"

   synonyms:

   illness, sickness, ill health; More

   • a particular quality, habit, or disposition regarded as adversely affecting a person or group of people.

      

      

Gun violence is uniquely an American problem for a reason. 

 

As you noted rightly earlier, mass shooters aren't ideological but there are recurring symptoms. Attraction to guns & weaponry is certainly one we've seen consistently. Is there provably a correlation between "attraction to guns" and "definitely a mass shooter"? No, because most gun hobbyists are not mass shooters. But if it is part of a causation, part of this mental health approach I keep hearing advocates for, is this not worth researching? What compelling argument do you have to present against simple research, Sir Thomas of the District of Columbia?

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/upshot/compare-these-gun-death-rates-the-us-is-in-a-different-world.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/10/upshot/How-to-Prevent-Gun-Deaths-The-Views-of-Experts-and-the-Public.html

LMK if you're out of free NYT articles & need me to copy/paste.

 

GOP even supports CDC research, as well as the person who authored the ban in the first place, for goodness sake

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/374149-gop-chairman-congress-should-rethink-cdc-ban-on-gun-violence-research
 

 

 

 

 

 

Is it possible for a person to be more wrong in every single post they make?

 

At least tibs doesn't write ridiculous diatribes. He keeps his stupidity short.

 

Are you the new Meathead?  Are guns bad because you !@#$ed one?

[Paulus]

8 minutes ago, Joe Miner said:

 

 

Is it possible for a person to be more wrong in every single post they make?

 

At least tibs doesn't write ridiculous diatribes. He keeps his stupidity short.

 

Are you the new Meathead?  Are guns bad because you !@#$ed one?

No, he just has a sociology degree.

 

Edited February 28, 2018 by Paulus

[ExiledInIllinois]

On 2/26/2018 at 2:46 PM, jmc12290 said:

I will protect you. As I protect all too shortsighted and stupid to protect themselves.

LoL... The paranoid Right.  You protect nothing except your own insecurities and narrow view.

 

This has to have you rushing to the store to stock up in Barry Obama fashion:

 

“Take the guns first, go through due process second”  ~Donald Trump

 

Even the head crazy guy thinks Snowflake Deplorable gun owners are destroying the country from within.

 

Grab your popcorn people as we watch a group that has zero ability to look inward, well actually attempt to look inward.

 

 

 

 

[TakeYouToTasker]

15 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

LoL... The paranoid Right.  You protect nothing except your own insecurities and narrow view.

 

This has to have you rushing to the store to stock up in Barry Obama fashion:

 

“Take the guns first, go through due process second”  ~Donald Trump

 

Even the head crazy guy thinks Snowflake Deplorable gun owners are destroying the country from within.

 

Grab your popcorn people as we watch a group that has zero ability to look inward, well actually attempt to look inward.

 

 

 

 

It's not that Second Amendment supporters aren't looking inward, we are.

 

It's just that even if mass shootings were 100% attributable to legal gun ownership, which they are not, they are a more than acceptable price to pay for freedom.  Far more, in fact.  Immeasurably so.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Just now, TakeYouToTasker said:

It's not that Second Amendment supporters aren't looking inward, we are.

 

It's just that even if mass shootings were 100% attributable to legal gun ownership, which they are not, they are a more than acceptable price to pay for freedom.  Far more, in fact.  Immeasurably so.

I hope you would say the same thing when a mass shooting affects you. Knowing your position, I know you wouldn't do an about face.  That I respect.

 

But Really? Thank you for being honest.

 

This is where many are hardwired differently. I simply don't fear my freedom in 2018, even with guns being taken off the table. If this gov't chaos ensues, that so many on right seem to think we need-guns to protect us from... Who the hell is going to follow laws anyway.  Who's to say people are even following laws right now. That's freedom.

 

With so many weapons out there, I am simply not scared, paranoid of the gov't infringing on me.  Now, if it was 1789, different story.

 

This has nothing to do with freedom. Freedom is a cop out, selfishness to not accept constructive societal change.

[Tiberius]

39 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

LoL... The paranoid Right.  You protect nothing except your own insecurities and narrow view.

 

This has to have you rushing to the store to stock up in Barry Obama fashion:

 

“Take the guns first, go through due process second”  ~Donald Trump

 

Even the head crazy guy thinks Snowflake Deplorable gun owners are destroying the country from within.

 

Grab your popcorn people as we watch a group that has zero ability to look inward, well actually attempt to look inward.

 

 

 

 

Hope Ex is doing well! 

[ExiledInIllinois]

16 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Hope Ex is doing well! 

Doing well... Best ever personally. But, as one gets older, if your priorities are in the right place, doing well just naturally happens. Until I suppose you start feeling the warning signs of croaking, but your spirituality should always growing, doing well.

 

I do fear that the health of our beloved country & the world has taken taken a grave turn for the worse.  We are under attack from constant populism.  Social media, media is really kicking into full gear. Yellow journalism meets the general public.

 

Now we know how Noah felt when the rains came.  I get the populists, why they are so angry on both sides. I just wish they weren't so damn stupid! 

Edited March 1, 2018 by ExiledInIllinois

[TakeYouToTasker]

38 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

I hope you would say the same thing when a mass shooting affects you. Knowing your position, I know you wouldn't do an about face.  That I respect.

 

But Really? Thank you for being honest.

 

This is where many are hardwired differently. I simply don't fear my freedom in 2018, even with guns being taken off the table. If this gov't chaos ensues, that so many on right seem to think we need-guns to protect us from... Who the hell is going to follow laws anyway.  Who's to say people are even following laws right now. That's freedom.

 

With so many weapons out there, I am simply not scared, paranoid of the gov't infringing on me.  Now, if it was 1789, different story.

 

This has nothing to do with freedom. Freedom is a cop out, selfishness to not accept constructive societal change.

It has impacted me directly.  I lost a close family friend in the Virginia Tech shooting a few years back.

 

And no, it's not selfish.  You don't get to decide selfish.

 

Selfish, from my vantage, are those who seek to infringe on the natural rights of more than 350 million people living today, and countless billions of future Americans, because of their ideology.