26CornerBlitz Posted February 14, 2018 Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 50 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: A whole 3 and the year before that another whole 3. going back in time: 14, 17, and 20 ! FYI in 2016 the average number of passing TD's was 22.4, TT threw 17. Give me 25 to 30 passing TDs a season and I'll stop saying TT isn't a passing QB. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA cough cough cough hahahahahahha CopyPaste has hated Peterman before he played one game for the Bills, and he had the audacity to throw out that crap? What a stupid thing for 26 to say. Looks like 26CP is having another fit On 2/12/2018 at 10:35 AM, 26CornerBlitz said: You add nothing to this board and the PM from BuffaloBill that was to both of us was necessary because you continued to quote my posts even though you claim to have me on ignore just as you have done in this and other threads. You have a funny way of ignoring someone. The real issue is you have an axe to grind because I have never supported Peterman and laughed at your strange and undying devotion to him. Thanks for proving my point yet again. Still pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: I got a number for you. Defense lets up 10 points or less this year. TT 0-2 Regress. Just over 1 TD again (includes alot of get fat off bad teams) 200 yards a game 0-2 in 2017 when Defense gives up 10 or less points how much regression do you really think you will see from any QB compared to TT In terms of yards and making big plays, there would be no regression from TT as he fails to do that consistently. In terms of wins and losses? There certainly can be regression as TT doesn't throw many games away. (As someone like Ryan Fitzpatrick did, or as we saw this year with Nate Peterman the one game) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 We're still having this argument about Tyrod? Really? Woods, Watkins and Goodwin were all here and he still would not throw the damn ball. All 3 are gone now making plays for their new teams, suddenly they are open and valuable. It's odd. It's almost like the QB won't or can't make routine throws on a consistent basis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: We're still having this argument about Tyrod? Really? Woods, Watkins and Goodwin were all here and he still would not throw the damn ball. All 3 are gone now making plays for their new teams, suddenly they are open and valuable. It's odd. It's almost like the QB won't or can't make routine throws on a consistent basis. Won't is more oft than can't. He's made some really good deep throws while scrambling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 3 hours ago, billsfan11 said: In terms of yards and making big plays, there would be no regression from TT as he fails to do that consistently. In terms of wins and losses? There certainly can be regression as TT doesn't throw many games away. (As someone like Ryan Fitzpatrick did, or as we saw this year with Nate Peterman the one game) So there would be no regression in actual QB play. Aside from some Maybe the new QB throws more picks in a league were picks are way down all over the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: So there would be no regression in actual QB play. Aside from some Maybe the new QB throws more picks in a league were picks are way down all over the league Well my point was there would be more interceptions which would result in less wins. Taking care of the football is a big part of the quarterbacks job. Its no good if you throw for 300 yards every game but have 2 to 3 interceptions. As we well know watching Fitzpatrick for years lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan11 said: Well my point was there would be more interceptions which would result in less wins. Taking care of the football is a big part of the quarterbacks job. Its no good if you throw for 300 yards every game but have 2 to 3 interceptions. As we well know watching Fitzpatrick for years lol OR there would be double the TD passes which could lead to 2 or 3 more wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: OR there would be double the TD passes which could lead to 2 or 3 more wins. Interceptions are way more of a killer than TD passes. Even if what you are saying is true, if someone throws 28 TD passes and 16-20 INTS, that's going to do no good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan11 said: Interceptions are way more of a killer than TD passes. Even if what you are saying is true, if someone throws 28 TD passes and 16-20 INTS, that's going to do no good 14 over 4 or 30 over 10 - I'll take the 30 over 10. Russel Wilson 34 and 11 Matt Stafford 29 and 10 Phil Rivers 28 and 10 Big Ben 28 and 14 Kirk Cousins 27 and 13 Carson Wentz 33 and 7 Jared Goff 28 and 7 Alex Smith 26 and 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 14, 2018 Author Share Posted February 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: Interceptions are way more of a killer than TD passes. Even if what you are saying is true, if someone throws 28 TD passes and 16-20 INTS, that's going to do no good Save your keystrokes for a better purpose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: 14 over 4 or 30 over 10 - I'll take the 30 over 10. Russel Wilson 34 and 11 Matt Stafford 29 and 10 Phil Rivers 28 and 10 Big Ben 28 and 14 Kirk Cousins 27 and 13 Carson Wentz 33 and 7 Jared Goff 28 and 7 Alex Smith 26 and 5 Lol who wouldn’t?... You’re saying a rookie QB or a bridge vet QB comes in next year and throws 30 and 10?... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan11 said: Lol who wouldn’t?... You’re saying a rookie QB or a bridge vet QB comes in next year and throws 30 and 10?... Exactly 1 QB on that list hit 30+ and 10 or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said: Exactly 1 QB on that list hit 30+ and 10 or less. His quote was something along the lines of “I’ll talk 30 over 10 rather than 14 over 4”. I was responding to his quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan11 said: His quote was something along the lines of “I’ll talk 30 over 10 rather than 14 over 4”. I was responding to his quote Oh I know. Just ironic that literally 2 QBs met that criteria. And only 1 did if you also consider lost fumbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: Lol who wouldn’t?... You’re saying a rookie QB or a bridge vet QB comes in next year and throws 30 and 10?... umm I thought the topic was an "actual" QB. TT couldn't even give us the league average of 22 TD's per season. Give me anything between 25 and 7 up to 30 and 10. RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G 9 Russell Wilson SEA 339 553 61.3 3983 7.2 74 34 11 43 95.4 249 19 Carson Wentz PHI 265 440 60.2 3296 7.49 72 33 7 28 101.9 254 1 Tom Brady NE 385 581 66.3 4577 7.88 64 32 8 35 102.8 286 3 Matthew Stafford DET 371 565 65.7 4446 7.87 71 29 10 47 99.3 278 5 Ben Roethlisberger PIT 360 561 64.2 4251 7.58 97 28 14 21 93.4 283 2 Philip Rivers LAC 360 575 62.6 4515 7.85 75 28 10 18 96 282 10 Jared Goff LAR 296 477 62.1 3804 7.98 94 28 7 25 100.5 254 7 Kirk Cousins WSH 347 540 64.3 4093 7.58 74 27 13 41 93.9 256 8 Alex Smith KC 341 505 67.5 4042 8 79 26 5 35 104.7 269 17 Andy Dalton CIN 297 496 59.9 3320 6.69 77 25 12 39 86.6 208 4 Drew Brees NO 386 536 72 4334 8.09 54 23 8 20 103.9 271 18 Cam Newton CAR 291 492 59.1 3302 6.71 64 22 16 35 80.7 206 14 Derek Carr OAK 323 515 62.7 3496 6.79 87 22 13 20 86.4 233 16 Dak Prescott DAL 308 490 62.9 3324 6.78 81 22 13 32 86.6 208 12 Case Keenum MIN 325 481 67.6 3547 7.37 65 22 7 22 98.3 236 11 Blake Bortles JAX 315 523 60.2 3687 7.05 75 21 13 24 84.7 230 6 Matt Ryan ATL 342 529 64.7 4095 7.74 88 20 12 24 91.4 256 26 Jay Cutler MIA 266 429 62 2666 6.21 65 19 14 20 80.8 190 15 Eli Manning NYG 352 571 61.6 3468 6.07 77 19 13 31 80.4 231 13 Jameis Winston TB 282 442 63.8 3504 7.93 70 19 11 33 92.2 270 31 Deshaun Watson HOU 126 204 61.8 1699 8.33 72 19 8 19 103 243 21 Joe Flacco BAL 352 549 64.1 3141 5.72 66 18 13 27 80.4 196 23 Josh McCown NYJ 267 397 67.3 2926 7.37 69 18 9 39 94.5 225 32 Aaron Rodgers GB 154 238 64.7 1675 7.04 72 16 6 22 97.2 239 25 Tyrod Taylor BUF 263 420 62.6 2799 6.66 47 14 4 46 89.2 187 20 Marcus Mariota TEN 281 453 62 3232 7.14 75 13 15 27 79.3 215 22 Jacoby Brissett IND 276 469 58.8 3098 6.61 80 13 7 52 81.7 194 27 Trevor Siemian DEN 206 349 59 2285 6.55 44 12 14 33 73.3 208 24 DeShone Kizer CLE 255 476 53.6 2894 6.08 56 11 22 38 60.5 193 28 Mitchell Trubisky CHI 196 330 59.4 2193 6.65 70 7 7 31 77.5 183 29 Carson Palmer ARI 164 267 61.4 1978 7.41 46 9 7 22 84.4 283 30 Brett Hundley GB 192 316 60.8 1836 5.81 55 9 12 29 70.6 167 Edited February 14, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: umm I thought the topic was an "actual" QB. TT couldn't even give us the league average of 22 TD's per season. Give me 30 and 10. No the topic in which I was originally replying too was there can be a regression from TT if the Bills start a rookie or a bridge vet next year. Not saying the Bills shouldn’t draft a rookie QBas I definitely want them too. But don’t expect an automatic improvement in 1 year. Im not sure why you are stuck on this 30 and 10 argument. No QB on the Bills next year is going to come close to that. Obviously anyone would take 30 and 10.... A 30 TD to 10 INT ratio is a borderline MVP candidate..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 hour ago, billsfan11 said: Well my point was there would be more interceptions which would result in less wins. Taking care of the football is a big part of the quarterbacks job. Its no good if you throw for 300 yards every game but have 2 to 3 interceptions. As we well know watching Fitzpatrick for years lol And that is a given that the QB will give 2-3 every game? Even though all stats point to INT being down every year league wide? Also the turnovers are really overblown here. You know how many games we won the TO differential and lost the game? At some point being so RISK adverse hurts just as much as a TO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: And that is a given that the QB will give 2-3 every game? Even though all stats point to INT being down every year league wide? Also the turnovers are really overblown here. You know how many games we won the TO differential and lost the game? At some point being so RISK adverse hurts just as much as a TO Nope it’s not a given. But I would wager a lot that a rookie QB or a QB like Mccown will throw easy into double digits INTs next year if on the Bills. Turnovers are not over blown in my opinion. They were the main reason why the Bills got into the playoffs. Denver, ATL, TB, Oak. Those are 4 games where the Bills won because of protecting the ball and forcing turnovers on the defensive side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 1 hour ago, billsfan11 said: Nope it’s not a given. But I would wager a lot that a rookie QB or a QB like Mccown will throw easy into double digits INTs next year if on the Bills. Turnovers are not over blown in my opinion. They were the main reason why the Bills got into the playoffs. Denver, ATL, TB, Oak. Those are 4 games where the Bills won because of protecting the ball and forcing turnovers on the defensive side No they were not. Go to those games that you mentioned and tell me again how many points occured off thos TOs. What about the games we won the TO diff and lost the game. The team will be where it is now 8-8 plus or minus a couple games with any type avg QB play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: No they were not. Go to those games that you mentioned and tell me again how many points occured off thos TOs. What about the games we won the TO diff and lost the game. The team will be where it is now 8-8 plus or minus a couple games with any type avg QB play Seriously? Lol. Against Atlanta they got a defensive TD and they won by 4 points. They had 3 turnovers that game that lead to 10 to 13 points. Easily the difference in the game. Against Denver they got 3 turnovers which resulted in 6 points and took off points off the board for the Broncos. TB they literally won the game off a fumble that set up the game winning kick. Oaklsnd they got 4 turnovers and one was a defensive TD. You’re actually saying the Bills win at least 2 of those games without those turnovers/not turning the ball over? Not a chance in hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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