Figster Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) Tyrod Taylor does not function well in the pocket which makes Dennisons job much more complicated in my humble opinion. McD/Dennison need to take a hard look at this problem, make some adjustments in how Taylor is utilized, or bench him for the better pocket QB In Peterman.(IMO) Pounding a square peg into a round hole doesn't work... ...especially at crunch time... Edited October 11, 2017 by Figster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 John Miller and Tyrod Taylor. Miller came on strong last season with their techniques and blocking schemes, but this year he has regressed tremendously as well as the other lineman regressing in some sorts. Our offensive line was our strongpoint last season. Why would you take a risk messing that up? TT is not a strong passer from the pocket and never will be. A few passes from the pocket peppered into the scheme is ok, but relying on him to do that the majority of the game doesn't always work. Our offense as a whole operates better with him moving the pocket and limiting the pass rush. Doing so would prevent the relentless passrush, alleviate some pressure on our tackles, and keep their LBs honest instead of shooting the gap. Yet again, square pegs in a round hole. We saw this with Rex and the defense. We all saw how that worked out in the end. If Taylor can't throw from the pocket then he's not long for this team or league. He has to show that he can do it. I would be shocked if we see read-option plays or multiple designed runs. They're building a team for the long-term benefit of the organization. "Short-term gain sometimes doesn't equal long-term success." They have to know if Taylor should be invested in beyond this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PABillsfan23 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Umm, this is a convo not worth engaging in. You just did my commenting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 You just did my commenting Now I'm commenting on you commenting on green lightning doing your commenting, or not commenting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Now I'm commenting on you commenting on green lightning doing your commenting, or not commenting. I was thinking out loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 I was thinking out loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 But this doesn't count as a thread comment, because I wasn't commenting to begin with. It's just another inner self discussion that somehow made it to a post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 But this doesn't count as a thread comment, because I wasn't commenting to begin with. It's just another inner self discussion that somehow made it to a post. clearly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 clearly ...expound on your comment please......not clear................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 ...expound on your comment please......not clear................ I think he should make a thread about not commenting in threads that he commented in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Tyrod Taylor does not function well in the pocket which makes Dennisons job much more complicated in my humble opinion. McD/Dennison need to take a hard look at this problem, make some adjustments in how Taylor is utilized, or bench him for the better pocket QB In Peterman.(IMO) Pounding a square peg into a round hole doesn't work... ...especially at crunch time... ...let me ask this......the mark of a good coaching staff is its willingness and ability to adjust both offensively and defensively versus how your plan is working versus opposition on game day.....are you satisfied with the coaching staff's "in game" adjustments be it offensive, defensive or even special teams so far?...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) ...let me ask this......the mark of a good coaching staff is its willingness and ability to adjust both offensively and defensively versus how your plan is working versus opposition on game day.....are you satisfied with the coaching staff's "in game" adjustments be it offensive, defensive or even special teams so far?...... no, yes, and yes and do you need more clarity, the answer is yes Edited October 12, 2017 by Figster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROONDOGG55 Posted October 12, 2017 Author Share Posted October 12, 2017 If Taylor can't throw from the pocket then he's not long for this team or league. He has to show that he can do it. I would be shocked if we see read-option plays or multiple designed runs. They're building a team for the long-term benefit of the organization. "Short-term gain sometimes doesn't equal long-term success." They have to know if Taylor should be invested in beyond this season. Your philosophy will not work in this league either. If we want success in this league they will have to adapt to their players strengths whether its short or long term. All of your great coaches cater to their players strengths. What if we asked Peyton Manning to run more and throw less? or, Jerome Bettis to split out wide and run deep? It doesn't make sense to ask a guy to do what he is not comfortable doing. If the Bills want short term success, then Dennison needs to get a little more creative this season. He has nothing to do with personnel decisions, so do what you can with what you got to the best of their abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Your philosophy will not work in this league either. If we want success in this league they will have to adapt to their players strengths whether its short or long term. All of your great coaches cater to their players strengths. What if we asked Peyton Manning to run more and throw less? or, Jerome Bettis to split out wide and run deep? It doesn't make sense to ask a guy to do what he is not comfortable doing. If the Bills want short term success, then Dennison needs to get a little more creative this season. He has nothing to do with personnel decisions, so do what you can with what you got to the best of their abilities. key Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Your philosophy will not work in this league either. If we want success in this league they will have to adapt to their players strengths whether its short or long term. All of your great coaches cater to their players strengths. What if we asked Peyton Manning to run more and throw less? or, Jerome Bettis to split out wide and run deep? It doesn't make sense to ask a guy to do what he is not comfortable doing. If the Bills want short term success, then Dennison needs to get a little more creative this season. He has nothing to do with personnel decisions, so do what you can with what you got to the best of their abilities. So you're admitting that you don't believe Taylor can be an NFL pocket passer. I give him more credit than that. He has the potential to do it - he can make all of the throws - if he can get over his indecisiveness and lack of confidence in himself and his receivers. The Bills are not going to sacrifice what they consider future benefit for a little short-term success. This has been stated over and over again and yet some here either refuse to listen or can't grasp the concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROONDOGG55 Posted October 12, 2017 Author Share Posted October 12, 2017 So you're admitting that you don't believe Taylor can be an NFL pocket passer. I give him more credit than that. He has the potential to do it - he can make all of the throws - if he can get over his indecisiveness and lack of confidence in himself and his receivers. The Bills are not going to sacrifice what they consider future benefit for a little short-term success. This has been stated over and over again and yet some here either refuse to listen or can't grasp the concept. TT is a mobile QB that can make throws from the pocket, but cannot be relied on to make those throws on a consistent basis. Dude you are looking way into the short and long term shenanigans. Adjusting the game plan now has nothing to do with their scheme and personnel next season, or any season after that. I'm not sure you understand their concept at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 So you're admitting that you don't believe Taylor can be an NFL pocket passer. I give him more credit than that. He has the potential to do it - he can make all of the throws - if he can get over his indecisiveness and lack of confidence in himself and his receivers. The Bills are not going to sacrifice what they consider future benefit for a little short-term success. This has been stated over and over again and yet some here either refuse to listen or can't grasp the concept. I'm admitting Taylor doesn't perform well in the pocket because his view is blocked so without some amount of chemistry with your WR Tyrod Taylors not going to throw the ball up for grabs. Its that simple... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 TT is a mobile QB that can make throws from the pocket, but cannot be relied on to make those throws on a consistent basis. Dude you are looking way into the short and long term shenanigans. Adjusting the game plan now has nothing to do with their scheme and personnel next season, or any season after that. I'm not sure you understand their concept at all. The bottom line: if Taylor cannot develop into a capable pocket passer in this league, then is he worth the extra $10 million cap hit to keep around in 2018? That's what the franchise needs to figure out. If it takes sacrificing some of the offense in 2017 to make that determination then so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Tyrod Taylor does not function well in the pocket which makes Dennisons job much more complicated in my humble opinion. McD/Dennison need to take a hard look at this problem, make some adjustments in how Taylor is utilized, or bench him for the better pocket QB In Peterman.(IMO) Pounding a square peg into a round hole doesn't work... ...especially at crunch time... so when do the finally conclude that he doesn't fit their system? How long before the Pegula's whisper in his ear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpoolkev Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) I was under the impression that he was involved in the offensive game plan. Early in training camp, I believe, he pointed out that he would be paying close attention to the offense. Did it stop there? From the first preseason game to now it seems Dennison and Castillo have complete control. Obviously the final decision comes from McDermott's mouth, but does he trust the opinions of his coordinators and position coaches a little too much? Now, with success comes a longer leash. After the first several games Dennison should have the shortest leash. McDermott should be in that room at all times pointing out the obvious. Use TT's athletic ability more, TT why did you not scramble here, TT look to the left, he is wide open, TT anticipate the route and throw on time, TT throw him the ball and not point to him, implement some blocking scheme's that cater to our guys strengths, call unpredictable plays (play action or quick passes on 1st play of a drive / not a run), and so on. It's clear to me that he has little insight about what goes on with this offense. One of the downfalls of hiring a defensive minded coach who has absolutely no offensive experience. Additionally, our offensive coordinator is a former NFL linebacker, and our offensive line coach has a history of underperforming lineman. I was really hoping he would take a chance on a guy with a vision on offense. Someone who could relate to a QB and help mold his game. I understand there was slim pickings for an offensive coordinator with experience, but damn dude. The lack of creativity on offense is going to be the one factor that McDermott will have to overcome. If he does not get it right, then the Bills will not sustain consistent success like what he and Beane envision. Hopefully this bye week will give Dennison and company an epiphany because they surly do need it. Disclaimer: I am no expert, I did not use statistical data to come up with any of my assumptions, and I don't care. Lol. These are my observations. This is why you don't have defensive corrdinators as head coach . They don't have a clue whats needed . You think Dennison wanted Tolbert a friend of the coach to be the primary backup to Shady; You think he wanted Sammy gone . You think he wanted Duucasse as his guard when he seen this line face stacked 8-9 fronts for two years and still lead the NFL in rushing Heck No..... as for McBeane vision what is it ? To get rid of as many young players and replace with sub standard older replacements . So, tell me what HE has actually accomplished. Not Kubiak or Shanahan, but him. He has always played second fiddle to other offensive minded coaches. Was it concerning for you that after a quarter century this was his first year calling plays? It sure was for me, but again, let me reiterate that I hope they have an epiphany during the bye week. about as much as the present coach and gm...........Nothing Edited October 12, 2017 by liverpoolkev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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