JohnBonhamRocks Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) Does no interest from any NFL team in the last two seasons say he's done? YES. Which NFL scouting department do you work for? Would love some more inside information. Edited June 20, 2017 by JohnBonhamRocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Does no interest from any NFL team in the last two seasons say he's done? YES. We've played the 2017 season? Did we win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) We've played the 2017 season? Did we win? He's about to tryout for the new Spring league instead of getting ready for Training Camp for an NFL team....I'm done. Take your inane arguments elsewhere. Edited June 20, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 what year did Fred break his leg? I cannot recall 2011? Is it likely Jackson has much left? No. Is it unreasonable to say with certainty that he has nothing left, unless you are employed by an NFL franchise? Yes. Do you think he has 16 games left ? Effective games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 2011? Do you think he has 16 games left ? Effective games? I'll refer you to my words that you quoted: "Is it likely Jackson has much left? No." I'm just, unlike others, not professing to know information to which only NFL scouting departments and the Jackson family/his doctor would be privy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) Which NFL scouting department do you for for? Would love some more inside information. Weak question. I get that you're misty eyed for Fred, but he's done. He wasn't very effective back in '15 for SEA. Did you catch him that season? I did. Does anyone need to work for an NFL scouting department to see that Reggie Bush is also done? Nope! Edited June 20, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 2011? Do you think he has 16 games left ? Effective games? Is that what Bills would ask of him? Of course , theoretically, he would would PP, and be an option just to spell. and likely behind JK. who the heck expects 16 effective game from any NFL player these days? Always nee to account for attrition. You were not a fan of of Fred perhaps. Weak question. I get that you're misty eyed for Fred, but he's done. He wasn't very effective back in '15 for SEA. Did you catch him that season? I did. actually he wasn't used much. at all. why would they honestly? He was brought on as security at best and likely Lynch had something to do with it : ) He was good once again in pass protection . He looked slow as hell. was he injured again? you never know in todays game. Tom Brady may or may not have been concussed. sure. all these guys play at a percentage of health. rarely 100%. I know you are right likely right 26. but if he can hope to play again, he will have to earn it. Simple enough. we will accept that as the honest answer. But to project success or doom is not my thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) Is that what Bills would ask of him? Of course , theoretically, he would would PP, and be an option just to spell. and likely behind JK. who the heck expects 16 effective game from any NFL player these days? Always nee to account for attrition. You were not a fan of of Fred perhaps. actually he wasn't used much. at all. why would they honestly? He was brought on as security at best and likely Lynch had something to do with it : ) He was good once again in pass protection . He looked slow as hell. was he injured again? you never know in todays game. Tom Brady may or may not have been concussed. sure. all these guys play at a percentage of health. rarely 100%. I know you are right likely right 26. but if he can hope to play again, he will have to earn it. Simple enough. we will accept that as the honest answer. But to project success or doom is not my thing. Fred is one of my all-time favorites and I've been following the team since 1970. I'm just a realist. And while understanding injuries, i think the expectation is to have a player with a high chance of lasting the whole season. Edited June 20, 2017 by klos63 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Is that what Bills would ask of him? Of course , theoretically, he would would PP, and be an option just to spell. and likely behind JK. who the heck expects 16 effective game from any NFL player these days? Always nee to account for attrition. You were not a fan of of Fred perhaps. actually he wasn't used much. at all. why would they honestly? He was brought on as security at best and likely Lynch had something to do with it : ) He was good once again in pass protection . He looked slow as hell. was he injured again? you never know in todays game. Tom Brady may or may not have been concussed. sure. all these guys play at a percentage of health. rarely 100%. I know you are right likely right 26. but if he can hope to play again, he will have to earn it. Simple enough. we will accept that as the honest answer. But to project success or doom is not my thing. It's not that hard to see when an NFL RB is done. We saw it last season when Reggie Bush was out there doing nothing. Only difference is there's no sentiment for him as there is for Fred. Fred was a true warrior for the Bills who gave it his all against long odds of having a career. I get that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) The distinction is between (1) admitting that probability is not on Jackson's side, and, as 3rdand12 said (2) "projecting doom vs. success." My preference is for (1) because I do not profess to know a player's health or sustainability with absolute certainty. I have no crystal ball, but will defer to those who think they do. Edited June 20, 2017 by JohnBonhamRocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 He's about to tryout for the new Spring league instead of getting ready for Training Camp for an NFL team....I'm done. Take your inane arguments elsewhere. I'm just confused where you got the "two seasons" from. I realize it's hard to stick to reality when crusading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 I'm just confused where you got the "two seasons" from. I realize it's hard to stick to reality when crusading. You're confused generally speaking so not exactly a shock. No crusade at all. Instead it's reality that he was affiliated with no team in '16 and with OTAs/minicamps for the '17 season over his plan is to tryout for a new Spring league. Now of course the '17 season isn't over and I'm projecting that he'll be on the outside looking in just like last season with him one year older. Maybe Marshawn will convince the Raiders to give Fred a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Its clear 26cb is just riled up because he was a Spiller fan over Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) Spring League showcase game = showcase for NFL not for Spring League, if we're being honest... unless most players aspire to play in the SL over the NFL Also, five true halfbacks have carried the football in an NFL game at or beyond the age of 36, and three of them quite well: 1. Bill Brown had 19 carries for 41 yards at the age of 36 for the Minnesota Vikings in 1974. 2. MacArthur Lane had 52 carries for 277 yards (5.3 YPC) at the age of 36 for the Kansas City Chiefs in 1978. 3. John Riggins had 176 carries for 677 yards (3.8 YPC) at the age of 36 for the Washington Redskins in 1985. (3.8 YPC) 4. Cullen Bryant had a single two-yard rush at the age of 36 for the Los Angeles Rams in 1987. 5. Marcus Allen had 206 carries for 830 yards (4 YPC) at the age of 36 for the Chiefs in 1996, and then he followed that up with 505 yards on 124 carries (4 YPC) as a 37-year-old the next season. Rushing aside, in the modern day NFL Jackson would probably be utilized more for his receiving (2 TDs in 2015 and 501 yards in 2014) and pass-blocking skills anyways. Not to mention that immeasurable quality: leadership. Further: 1. He was a lead back for only a couple years. 2. He’s carried the ball 200-plus times only twice in his career. 3. Adrian Peterson, LeSean McCoy, DeMarco Murray and Jonathan Stewart all have more career rushes than Jackson. (http://thecomeback.com/nfl/can-fred-jackson-actually-play-nfl-age-36.html) Guess we should try to ship Shady before the season for whatever we can get, given that he's clearly worn out... Edited June 20, 2017 by JohnBonhamRocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Spring League showcase game = showcase for NFL not for Spring League, if we're being honest... unless most players aspire to play in the SL over the NFL Also, five true halfbacks have carried the football in an NFL game at or beyond the age of 36, and three of them quite well: 1. Bill Brown had 19 carries for 41 yards at the age of 36 for the Minnesota Vikings in 1974. 2. MacArthur Lane had 52 carries for 277 yards (5.3 YPC) at the age of 36 for the Kansas City Chiefs in 1978. 3. John Riggins had 176 carries for 677 yards (3.8 YPC) at the age of 36 for the Washington Redskins in 1985. (3.8 YPC) 4. Cullen Bryant had a single two-yard rush at the age of 36 for the Los Angeles Rams in 1987. 5. Marcus Allen had 206 carries for 830 yards (4 YPC) at the age of 36 for the Chiefs in 1996, and then he followed that up with 505 yards on 124 carries (4 YPC) as a 37-year-old the next season. Rushing aside, in the modern day NFL Jackson would probably be utilized more for his receiving (2 TDs in 2015 and 501 yards in 2014) and pass-blocking skills anyways. Not to mention that immeasurable quality: leadership. Further: 1. He was a lead back for only a couple years. 2. He’s carried the ball 200-plus times only twice in his career. 3. Adrian Peterson, LeSean McCoy, DeMarco Murray and Jonathan Stewart all have more career rushes than Jackson. (http://thecomeback.com/nfl/can-fred-jackson-actually-play-nfl-age-36.html) Guess we should try to ship Shady before the season for whatever we can get, given that he's clearly worn out... You made a few credible points, then you lose all credibility with a really dumb final statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 You made a few credible points, then you lose all credibility with a really dumb final statement. Thanks re: the credible points. If sarcasm were any indicator of credibility, then I'd be inclined to agree with your critique. Here's my statement with the fun taken out of it: "If LeSean McCoy has less career carries than Fred Jackson, and LeSean McCoy is still durable enough to play in the NFL, then it is possible Fred Jackson to be durable enough to play in the NFL." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 He has an excellent Bills' career and we fans loved him for giving his all, but it's 2017 with '09 long ago in the rear view mirror. He ain't coming back! Not in Buffalo anyway. Oh yeah I get he's not coming back and if he did he wouldn't be the freddy we all remember but I can dream right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsmovinup Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) Which NFL scouting department do you work for? Would love some more inside information. Which NFL scouting dept do you work for? Your logic goes both ways. Clearly your a scout of some NFL team. Youve had fred in for a workout and know for a fact he has one year left. Just dont understand why you cant convince the GM of your team to sign him? Edited June 20, 2017 by Billsmovinup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) You're confused generally speaking so not exactly a shock. No crusade at all. Instead it's reality that he was affiliated with no team in '16 and with OTAs/minicamps for the '17 season over his plan is to tryout for a new Spring league. Now of course the '17 season isn't over and I'm projecting that he'll be on the outside looking in just like last season with him one year older. Maybe Marshawn will convince the Raiders to give Fred a shot. So of course you're making up what happens in the 2017 season to strengthen your argument? Boldin isn't affiliated with a camp right now. Your logic would be that he hasn't gotten any interest in a season and should retire. Bananas. I think JB is right. Were you a "March to 2000 yards" Spiller guy? Edited June 20, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 I appreciate both sides of the discussion. But I do not agree any thing is definite. Likely ? Yes. There are plenty of young workhorses a Coach would likely rather keep on the 53. And it really would be a PR challenge to have Fred back here for multiple reasons. It's all an Offseason Fantasy any ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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