TheElectricCompany Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Based on his historical QB ratings , his 2015 MVP season was actualy more of the anomaly. QB ratings are only part of the equation for Cam, you have to account for his ability to run the football. He holds the NFL records for TDs by QB. 3600 yards and 48 TDs in his career already. 6'6" and 245? It's like having a defensive end run around. There is no QB in the league that is better running downfield than Cam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 How many has each played in? How much double digit win seasons have each had? I suppose it comes down to how you define success. The Bills have appeared in 4 Super Bowls since the last time the Bengals won a playoff game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 I suppose it comes down to how you define success. The Bills have appeared in 4 Super Bowls since the last time the Bengals won a playoff game. If it was still 94, I'd say we've been more successful. If TT had led us to back to back 11-5 and 10-6 seasons and two playoff appearances, he'd be considered a successful QB, there would be less debate, and he'd be making more money here because we would never pretend to consider letting him go. That's really it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 The problem with waiting for a Luck/Winston/Mariota is the Bills haven't finished with a top 2 pick in over 3 decades. So even if we had a 1 2 QB combo that was awesome the Bills wouldn't get one. After you clear two top QB's then you are looking at prospects that are weaker than what the Bills can choose this year at ten. The only way you can sell a wait for next year QB class is if your team has a plan for getting there. That is obviously not happening. Rosen, Darnold, Jackson, Allen, Falk, Rudolph, Browning, etc... Next year's class appears to be quite deep. Most years if you take a QB at 10 (for example) you may be taking the 30th best player on your board. Next year you might be taking the 8th best player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Rosen, Darnold, Jackson, Allen, Falk, Rudolph, Browning, etc... Next year's class appears to be quite deep. Most years if you take a QB at 10 (for example) you may be taking the 30th best player on your board. Next year you might be taking the 8th best player. It's not 2004. You are just naming guys. Unless you are saying that you already rate Falk and Browning over Trubisky and Mahomes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 It's not 2004. You are just naming guys. Unless you are saying that you already rate Falk and Browning over Trubisky and Mahomes? Every year, someone raves about next years QB class, and every year it seems to fall short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Andrew Luck is way too high. Has he consistently performed as a top 10 QB throughout his career? I don't think so. Cam is a top 10 QB - no doubt about it, he just had an off year. Those are the only glaring issues I have with this list. He was doing very well...went to the playoffs 3 years in a row, improving every year ( 1st round, divisional, AFC Championship )....then injuries kicked in....IMO, Luck is a hell of a talent..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 He was doing very well...went to the playoffs 3 years in a row, improving every year ( 1st round, divisional, AFC Championship )....then injuries kicked in....IMO, Luck is a hell of a talent..... He's certainly a good QB, likely great, but I think he's overhyped at this point of his career, and not someone I'd consider a top 6-10 player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCD Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 If it was still 94, I'd say we've been more successful. If TT had led us to back to back 11-5 and 10-6 seasons and two playoff appearances, he'd be considered a successful QB, there would be less debate, and he'd be making more money here because we would never pretend to consider letting him go. That's really it. Who is in a division with the Patriots? And who is in a division with the Browns? reverse the two and I see the same record... Tyrod is a more than decent QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 (edited) Who is in a division with the Patriots? And who is in a division with the Browns? reverse the two and I see the same record... Tyrod is a more than decent QB. You're kidding, right? The Bengals have to compete with 2 very good teams every year in the Ravens and Steelers. In fact, the NFC North regularly puts out 2 playoff teams almost every year. When you have 3 teams that regularly compete for the division title, it ain't easy to always make the postseason. Yes, the Browns suck some years. Some years the Dolphins and/or Jets suck. Lame excuse. Edited April 5, 2017 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 If it was still 94, I'd say we've been more successful. If TT had led us to back to back 11-5 and 10-6 seasons and two playoff appearances, he'd be considered a successful QB, there would be less debate, and he'd be making more money here because we would never pretend to consider letting him go. That's really it. I'm curious for your answer then. If the Bills were to go 10-6 every year for the next 5 years, but never win a playoff game, would you consider them a successful team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 I'm curious for your answer then. If the Bills were to go 10-6 every year for the next 5 years, but never win a playoff game, would you consider them a successful team? I would consider them having more success than a team that can't win more than 8. Not the best team in the NFL, but if you make the playoffs, you're top 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCD Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 I would consider them having more success than a team that can't win more than 8. Not the best team in the NFL, but if you make the playoffs, you're top 12. I'm more sure that the Bills making the playoffs this year, than I am of you ever finding happiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 I remember when there were arguments about who was better: EJ or Geno. In the end, it didn't matter. Neither are in the top 32. Does it really matter? They both are getting shots at being backups on SB contenders. Barkley was barely NFL caliber before last season and now is a top 50 qb. Lists are so silly. There isn't a NFL GM would trade Newton for brittle Captain Checkdown Bradford. What the hell has Tom Savage or Brett Huntley even done but not play so we don't know if they are good or bad. Connor Cook is a less talent version of Jay Cutler. And no NFL GM would trade Dalton for Taylor. Dalton had a MVP type season two years and the bBengals were looking like the best team in the NFL before he got hurt. Dalton lost his 2nd and 3rd WRs to FA and had his all pro TE missing most of the season. He's better than Tyrod. I'm curious for your answer then. If the Bills were to go 10-6 every year for the next 5 years, but never win a playoff game, would you consider them a successful team? um, hell yes. It's hilarious how people try to knock Dalton. He has been more successful than any Bills qb since Jim Kelly. If he doesn't get hurt 2 years ago, the Bengals may win the super bowl and his whole narrative is changed. But it would be awful to make the playoffs every year. Awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 um, hell yes. It's hilarious how people try to knock Dalton. He has been more successful than any Bills qb since Jim Kelly. If he doesn't get hurt 2 years ago, the Bengals may win the super bowl and his whole narrative is changed. But it would be awful to make the playoffs every year. Awful. That's not guaranteed in the scenario I gave. NE* missed the playoffs at 11-5 a few years back. Regardless, I get the feeling you'd change your tune after 2 or so 1 and done years. Then instead of I'd love to make the playoffs it would be I'd love to win a playoff game. My standards are probably too high, especially considering the team I root for, but if my team hasn't won a playoff game in 26 years I do not consider them successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 That's not guaranteed in the scenario I gave. NE* missed the playoffs at 11-5 a few years back. Regardless, I get the feeling you'd change your tune after 2 or so 1 and done years. Then instead of I'd love to make the playoffs it would be I'd love to win a playoff game. My standards are probably too high, especially considering the team I root for, but if my team hasn't won a playoff game in 26 years I do not consider them successful. There are degrees of success. You can't win a Superbowl or playoff game without first making the playoffs. If you ask me if I'd be content with a playoff loss every year, the answer would be no. But make no mistake, I'd take the 99.9% chance of losing in the playoffs every year over never making it. Some teams win on just dumb luck or get streaky or what have you. But you can never, ever, ever get hot/lucky in the playoffs if you're golfing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 It's not 2004. You are just naming guys. Unless you are saying that you already rate Falk and Browning over Trubisky and Mahomes? I would rank Rosen, Darnold and Allen ahead today. Jackson is a total wild card as is Rudolph. On paper, today, it looks like a very strong QB draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 I would rank Rosen, Darnold and Allen ahead today. Jackson is a total wild card as is Rudolph. On paper, today, it looks like a very strong QB draft. Rosen has great arm talent but he has a 5 cent head. He's great if you give him all the weapons and protection. But if things start to go south he will bail. He does not take hits very well and his personality and Buffalo would never work. Darnold looks great but if he stays on the trajectory we never get a chance at him. Jackson? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 Rosen has great arm talent but he has a 5 cent head. He's great if you give him all the weapons and protection. But if things start to go south he will bail. He does not take hits very well and his personality and Buffalo would never work. Darnold looks great but if he stays on the trajectory we never get a chance at him. Jackson? No. We all have our feelings. I think most would agree that the 2018 class will grade out higher. It certainly is ahead as of today. I'm not sure that is even debatable. Obviously a lot can happen in a year, Sackenberg and Jevan Snead were once 1st round locks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 We all have our feelings. I think most would agree that the 2018 class will grade out higher. It certainly is ahead as of today. I'm not sure that is even debatable. Obviously a lot can happen in a year, Sackenberg and Jevan Snead were once 1st round locks. That's not the issue. Just because a class is better doesn't mean it will benefit the Bills. Would you pass on Derek Carr in 2014 because 2015 is supposed to be better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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