BillsFanInJax Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Bottom line with me is Whaley swings for the fence too much in the draft --- and misses. Just look at his drafts. And I believe the draft provides the foundation to the house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcoam Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 This thread/topic comes up every year at exactly 3-4 weeks b4 the draft, and there's a point to be made, but its misleading Because as other have pointed out if you trade a first round draft pick for a Bledsoe and or Johnson its the same thing as drafting Ditto singing a QB as a FA such as Fitz or TT So with the excellent info provided after, in fact our Bills have used picks, trades, FA signings of QB's no more or less than other teams The idea that our Bills don't bring in new QB's has been essentially debunked As for the idea of using a draft pick every year until you hit, I've always thought this idea was beyond silly, because while you are continuously drafting QB's, all the other teams you compete against are using their picks to build much stronger rosters Lets take a look between the Jets and the Steelers, Pitt has only used one pick on a QB in the Ben years, a 4th rounder in Landry, while the Jets use a high pick virtual every 2nd year, no wonder the Steelers are continually building a better roster Just saying.... jc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Bottom line with me is Whaley swings for the fence too much in the draft --- and misses. Just look at his drafts. And I believe the draft provides the foundation to the house. His record there could be better I agree but it certainly isn't the worst in the league in that period and he is now drafting for his 3rd Head Coach, 4th (really 5th because Rob Ryan did the job last year) DC and 4th OC. That doesn't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) This thread/topic comes up every year at exactly 3-4 weeks b4 the draft, and there's a point to be made, but its misleading Because as other have pointed out if you trade a first round draft pick for a Bledsoe and or Johnson its the same thing as drafting Ditto singing a QB as a FA such as Fitz or TT So with the excellent info provided after, in fact our Bills have used picks, trades, FA signings of QB's no more or less than other teams The idea that our Bills don't bring in new QB's has been essentially debunked As for the idea of using a draft pick every year until you hit, I've always thought this idea was beyond silly, because while you are continuously drafting QB's, all the other teams you compete against are using their picks to build much stronger rosters Lets take a look between the Jets and the Steelers, Pitt has only used one pick on a QB in the Ben years, a 4th rounder in Landry, while the Jets use a high pick virtual every 2nd year, no wonder the Steelers are continually building a better roster Just saying.... jc Signing a backup QB is the same as using a 1st round pick on a QB? No. Since the Bills haven't spent many draft picks on QB's where is this great roster? Edited March 27, 2017 by jeffismagic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 It is common sense and our team is an indisputable walking **** show case study to its leaders' lack of execution on said common sense over the past two decades. I hope the newest coach gets it and convinces Whaley/Pegs. Only 2 first rounders is not acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 (edited) Bottom line with me is Whaley swings for the fence too much in the draft --- and misses. Just look at his drafts. And I believe the draft provides the foundation to the house. Entirely disagree.......too much drafting for need instead of BPA......which is far from swinging for the fences......more like trying to plug the dyke while more leaks keep forming. Well, we need a WR= Bob Woods Well, we need a RT = Kujo ....................... LB = Preston Brown ........................ G = John Miller .......................OLB = Shaq ........................ILB = Ragnuts That's a lot of meh for that many early picks......in each case they were kinda' reachy....... seemigly low-ceiling picks.......there for a reason. Edited March 27, 2017 by #BADOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Entirely disagree.......too much drafting for need instead of BPA......which is far from swinging for the fences......more like trying to plug the dyke while more leaks keep forming. Well, we need a WR= Bob Woods Well, we need a RT = Kujo ....................... LB = Preston Brown ........................ G = John Miller .......................OLB = Shaq ........................ILB = Ragnuts That's a lot of meh for that many early picks......in each case they were kinda' reachy....... seemigly low-ceiling picks.......there for a reason. ^this...drafting for need is often a sucker bet. Stock your roster with good football players, focusing primarily on premium positions, and worry about needs in FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 ^this...drafting for need is often a sucker bet. Stock your roster with good football players, focusing primarily on premium positions, and worry about needs in FA. And I agree with that though I disagree with Badol on Shaq and I still quite like the Miller pick (which I don't think was a reach even though it is hard to argue it wasn't a need pick). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 1996-2016 Cardale Jones, Rd 4 2016 EJ Manuel, Rd 1 2013 Levi Brown, Rd 7 2010 Trent Edwards, Rd 3 2007 JP Losman, Rd 1 2001 How pathetic, if you don't try you will never find a QB. Only 2 in the first round. That's crazy... Definitely not enough focus put on the QB position. But, just looking at the last few years with our current GM - 2 of these drafted since Whaley took over. 2 in 4 years seems about average, no? What's the average around the NFL for a GM? I doubt it's realistic to draft one ever year. Teams seem to like giving their drafted QBs a chance before drafting another (except for the Jets maybe). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanInJax Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 ^this...drafting for need is often a sucker bet. Stock your roster with good football players, focusing primarily on premium positions, and worry about needs in FA. Yep, that's the way the Bills do it. They stock the roster with clunkers. All the way to 30-34. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Unacceptable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcoam Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Sorry, I disagree, the majority of QB's drafted, play the role of a backup QB, so signing one in FA, especially a high profile one like a Doug Flutie and or a Fitz, is very much the same thing as drafting a Cardale Jones, or a Hackenberg So is trading a first round draft pick for a QB as we did with Bledsoe and or Johnson, which the OP didn't mention, sorry but this thread as it evolved debunked the idea our Bills have not focused on the QB position, they have, in their own way, but folks will continue to claim otherwise if it suits their agenda jc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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