drinkTHEkoolaid Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 https://www.yahoo.com/news/them-bloody-nose-xi-pressed-stronger-south-china-232358640.html This situation just keeps getting more tense. Very little reporting from the media on what is going on in the south china sea. China is genuinely pissed and feels they have been disrespected and their "sovereignty" has been challenged... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 The media won't report on it because throwing shade at China is Trump's bread and butter, and it might make him seem like he knows what he's talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 (edited) The only way to settle this is with a giant robot duel. Edited August 1, 2016 by unbillievable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 https://www.yahoo.com/news/them-bloody-nose-xi-pressed-stronger-south-china-232358640.html This situation just keeps getting more tense. Very little reporting from the media on what is going on in the south china sea. China is genuinely pissed and feels they have been disrespected and their "sovereignty" has been challenged... They are China... What are they going to do, tell North Korea to run more nuclear testing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted August 2, 2016 Author Share Posted August 2, 2016 https://www.yahoo.com/news/beijing-tightens-maritime-rules-south-china-sea-case-073442699.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 https://www.yahoo.com/news/beijing-tightens-maritime-rules-south-china-sea-case-073442699.html They're not just talking about vague concepts of maritime rights, but specific points of fisheries management and enforcement in disputed regions? That...is actually a big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 They're not just talking about vague concepts of maritime rights, but specific points of fisheries management and enforcement in disputed regions? That...is actually a big deal. Yup. Much bigger deal than all the other stuff dominating the news cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Yup. Much bigger deal than all the other stuff dominating the news cycle. Agreed and it is scary. China re-drew the map and claims that the entire sea is their territorial water? Can't sail through there, can't fish there? Would it be too antagonistic if the U.S. got together a coalition of all the other objecting nations in the South China Sea and started constructing artificial reefs and islands adjacent to everything that China is building? Call it the "friendly neighbor program". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Agreed and it is scary. China re-drew the map and claims that the entire sea is their territorial water? Can't sail through there, can't fish there? Would it be too antagonistic if the U.S. got together a coalition of all the other objecting nations in the South China Sea and started constructing artificial reefs and islands adjacent to everything that China is building? Call it the "friendly neighbor program". Russia and China are holding joint naval exercises there as well. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/29/world/asia/russia-china-south-china-sea-naval-exercise.html And the sabre rattling continues. http://thediplomat.com/2016/08/plan-naval-drill-china-practices-for-cruel-and-short-war-in-east-china-sea/ http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/08/02/asia-pacific/chinese-navy-holds-live-fire-drills-in-east-china-sea/#.V6EOkfkrJnI https://www.rt.com/news/354226-china-sea-navy-drills/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Agreed and it is scary. China re-drew the map and claims that the entire sea is their territorial water? Can't sail through there, can't fish there? Would it be too antagonistic if the U.S. got together a coalition of all the other objecting nations in the South China Sea and started constructing artificial reefs and islands adjacent to everything that China is building? Call it the "friendly neighbor program". It wasn't arbitrary. They found an old map with dashes around the China Sea that claim it as Chinese territory. ....but, it would be like Rome busting out an old map and claiming most of Europe as previously part of the Roman Empire. It's the same reasoning that Mexico uses to claim that they have land rights to the American Southwest. Which was referrenced by Eva Longoria during the DNC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 It wasn't arbitrary. They found an old map with dashes around the China Sea that claim it as Chinese territory. ....but, it would be like Rome busting out an old map and claiming most of Europe as previously part of the Roman Empire. It's the same reasoning that Mexico uses to claim that they have land rights to the American Southwest. Which was referrenced by Eva Longoria during the DNC. No, actually it's completely different. This is about fish and oil. The South China Sea has a lot of both. China isn't applying some ancient map to modern times. There's no cultural pride they're defending. They're building islands in their economic exclusion zone as an argument to push their territorial waters further out under modern international law. Such "fishing wars" aren't unusual (off the top of my head: England and Argentina, England and France, England and Norway, Spain and Canada, Iceland and France (I think), Russia and everybody). Usually they don't turn "hot" (sometimes they do: the Falklands War.) China's just applying a new tactic to it, by building islands to increase their territorial limits and EEZ. And before you scoff at the idea of fisheries disputes being serious...Argentina sunk a Chinese fishing boat in its EEZ this past spring. Yes...they're serious conflicts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 No, actually it's completely different. This is about fish and oil. The South China Sea has a lot of both. China isn't applying some ancient map to modern times. There's no cultural pride they're defending. They're building islands in their economic exclusion zone as an argument to push their territorial waters further out under modern international law. Such "fishing wars" aren't unusual (off the top of my head: England and Argentina, England and France, England and Norway, Spain and Canada, Iceland and France (I think), Russia and everybody). Usually they don't turn "hot" (sometimes they do: the Falklands War.) China's just applying a new tactic to it, by building islands to increase their territorial limits and EEZ. And before you scoff at the idea of fisheries disputes being serious...Argentina sunk a Chinese fishing boat in its EEZ this past spring. Yes...they're serious conflicts. Of course it's about the money. ...but China still has to justify to their own people why they have to act like giant douches. If you think about it, using this method, the US can claim territorial rights extending from Alaska, down to Hawaii and back to California that would encompass half of the northern pacific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 ASIA PIVOT: Combat-tested U.S. bombers headed to Pacific. The B-1B Lancer bombers from the 34th Expeditionary Bomb Squadron dropped more than 2,000 “smart bombs” during more than 630 missions over Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan from January to July of 2015, officials at Andersen Air Force Base in Guam said. Those missions covered more than 7,000 hours of flight time. “The B-1 units bring a unique perspective and years of repeated combat and operational experience from the Central Command theater to the Pacific,” said a statement from Pacific Air Forces headquarters in Hawaii. Guam is a U.S.-controlled island territory in the western Pacific, some 1,550 miles east of the Philippines. “With a large weapon capacity and exceptional standoff strike capability, the B-1 will provide U.S. Pacific Command and its regional allies and partners with a credible, strategic power projection platform,” the statement said. Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted August 4, 2016 Author Share Posted August 4, 2016 (edited) ASIA PIVOT: Combat-tested U.S. bombers headed to Pacific. The B-1B Lancer bombers from the 34th Expeditionary Bomb Squadron dropped more than 2,000 smart bombs during more than 630 missions over Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan from January to July of 2015, officials at Andersen Air Force Base in Guam said. Those missions covered more than 7,000 hours of flight time. The B-1 units bring a unique perspective and years of repeated combat and operational experience from the Central Command theater to the Pacific, said a statement from Pacific Air Forces headquarters in Hawaii. Guam is a U.S.-controlled island territory in the western Pacific, some 1,550 miles east of the Philippines. With a large weapon capacity and exceptional standoff strike capability, the B-1 will provide U.S. Pacific Command and its regional allies and partners with a credible, strategic power projection platform, the statement said. Good. I think the b1s are rotating in to replace TDY b52s. Andersen is also one of the few bases in the world with the necessary infrastructure to operate B2 stealth bombers due to their specific requirements Edited August 4, 2016 by drinkTHEkoolaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 Of course it's about the money. ...but China still has to justify to their own people why they have to act like giant douches.If you think about it, using this method, the US can claim territorial rights extending from Alaska, down to Hawaii and back to California that would encompass half of the northern pacific. Yep. That's why I suggested building islands adjacent to the ones China is building. I also saw this article today. China's had its eyes on Australia for awhile for the natural resources. http://www.sbs.com.au/news/thefeed/article/2016/08/03/australia-ideal-target-strike-chinese-state-media-says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 Yep. That's why I suggested building islands adjacent to the ones China is building. I also saw this article today. China's had its eyes on Australia for awhile for the natural resources. http://www.sbs.com.au/news/thefeed/article/2016/08/03/australia-ideal-target-strike-chinese-state-media-says What natural resources? Sheep? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 Yep. That's why I suggested building islands adjacent to the ones China is building. I also saw this article today. China's had its eyes on Australia for awhile for the natural resources. http://www.sbs.com.au/news/thefeed/article/2016/08/03/australia-ideal-target-strike-chinese-state-media-says Actually that article said nothing of the sort - it said China was pissed at Australia for disputing China's China sea claims - also China said mean things about Australia and made vague threats. As for Australia they have very abundant mineral resources and they were doing great business with China when China was growing at double digit rates, China's slow down has hurt Australia's economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 What natural resources? Sheep? Mines: http://www.ga.gov.au/scientific-topics/minerals/basics From 2009: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/28/business/worldbusiness/28mine.html?_r=0 From 2013: https://www.australianmining.com.au/news/chinese-company-launches-hostile-takeover-of-carabella/ I'm sure there's a lot more examples. I'm only on my first cup of coffee. When you're China and you've got however many billion people in your country and they need something to do and someplace to go, eventually things go bad for your country or you have to make things bad for your neighbors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 Actually that article said nothing of the sort - it said China was pissed at Australia for disputing China's China sea claims - also China said mean things about Australia and made vague threats. As for Australia they have very abundant mineral resources and they were doing great business with China when China was growing at double digit rates, China's slow down has hurt Australia's economy. This article tries to tie the two issues together: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/06/australia-china-relations-and-the-politics-of-canberras-submarine-deal/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted August 5, 2016 Author Share Posted August 5, 2016 I genuinely think China is actively planning to extend their sphere of influence and aquire new resources to support their population and economy. I see a lot of parallels between modern day China and Japan in the 1930a. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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