Deranged Rhino Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Capco said: You when mean acting on the 1st Amendment right to peaceably protest and assemble in accordance with any laws, curfews, and regulations regarding them still gets you beaten unnecessarily? If that is considered a "Stupid Game" then I suppose so. There are people out there breaking the law, but there are also protesters and press who are obliging everything they are being told to do and are still receiving heavy handed acts of violence. 6 dead cops in a week might have something to do with tempers running hot. ************************************* Edited June 7, 2020 by Deranged Rhino 2 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Link? I think the one where you pointed out the cop had to finish kicking out his broken front window so he could drive away? 2 1
Capco Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Link? It's in the video I linked. There are several examples of tire slashings and at least 2 examples of private property destruction (smashing windows of empty, parked cars and smashing what appeared to be a door). The video of the police (I think NYPD) destroying their own cruiser wasn't in that montage, but if I come across it again I'll post it right away. Cops were even spray painting graffiti on the cruiser to make it look like the act of a rioter. It was nuts. 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I think the one where you pointed out the cop had to finish kicking out his broken front window so he could drive away? You're right, I just found this article about it. It was Boston, not NY. Thank you. https://newsmeter.in/fact-check-did-boston-police-damage-their-own-car-to-blame-on-george-floyd-protesters/ Edited June 7, 2020 by Capco
Sig1Hunter Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Capco said: You when mean acting on the 1st Amendment right to peaceably protest and assemble in accordance with any laws, curfews, and regulations regarding them still gets you beaten unnecessarily? If that is considered a "Stupid Game" then I suppose so. There are people out there breaking the law, but there are also protesters and press who are obliging everything they are being told to do and are still receiving heavy handed acts of violence. No, I meant you are playing a stupid game by linking a video intended to inflame tensions by showing brief scenes of police using force on people without any context or explanation of what is occurring. Your stupid prize will be revealed later. 3 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, Capco said: You're right, I just found this article about it. It was Boston, not NY. Thank you. https://newsmeter.in/fact-check-did-boston-police-damage-their-own-car-to-blame-on-george-floyd-protesters/ So, "and even destroying their own cruisers in some cases?" is completely disingenuous. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, Capco said: You're right, I just found this article about it. It was Boston, not NY. Thank you. https://newsmeter.in/fact-check-did-boston-police-damage-their-own-car-to-blame-on-george-floyd-protesters/ We covered that when it happened. It's not them destroying the car, the car was destroyed and they needed to clear the windshield to drive away. Funny how context changes things... 1
Capco Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Sig1Hunter said: No, I meant you are playing a stupid game by linking a video intended to inflame tensions by showing brief scenes of police using force on people without any context or explanation of what is occurring. Your stupid prize will be revealed later. Oh really? Since you know so much about my intentions, tell me, what do I intend to have for dinner tonight? Pointing out a scene where a woman respectfully asks "what's going to happen at 8, sir?" only to hear the response "what's gonna happen is we're gonna start beating the ***** out of you" isn't worthy of note? (that's the final clip in the montage, last 15 seconds if you want to quickly verify it). @Deranged Rhino Correct, there's a lot at play here. Emotions are high on all sides. That means mistakes are bound to happen. That doesn't mean we should excuse the mistakes entirely though. For the most part the officers around are doing a good job I think. The protesting in my area has all been peaceful, and cops have joined in on several occasions. Still, any cops (and protesters) not following protocol should be reprimanded accordingly. I think that's only fair. 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: So, "and even destroying their own cruisers in some cases?" is completely disingenuous. I stand corrected ma'am. As I said, I appreciate you clarifying the matter for me. It still doesn't explain the tire slashings and window smashings, etc. And when I asked about these things, I wasn't trying to be facetious. Just because I disagree with many posters here politically doesn't mean there isn't value to be had at times. Like just now. 2
Motorin' Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 27 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Again, reasonable. But that's not the rallying cry. And try explaining that position to the mob like the Boy Mayor did. What this shows is the dramatic split in the partisan left. There's no room for "reasonable" discussion and solutions when the anger is this high. Which makes it all the more insane that the media has enabled that anger without thinking it through. That split will be exacerbated as we approach November. Especially considering that they're running Biden -- they guy who authored the crime bill and spent forty years in office creating the very system their railing against. The mayor of Minneapolis ***** his pants in that moment. He also interpreted the request to defund as a request to abolish. He could have said he would commit to reinvest a portion of the police budget into the black community, and offer to sit down with the community to listen to their funding priorities... As far as Sleepy Joe, I had zero excitement or faith in his candidacy. Don't get me started... After the past week, I think most Americans would prefer Biden take a nap in the Oval Office for the next four years. I'd vote for Mr. Potato Head at this point. How's this -- Sleepy Joe, because America needs a nap... Sleepy Joe-- because we're ***** exhausted...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Motorin' said: The mayor of Minneapolis ***** his pants in that moment. He also interpreted the request to defund as a request to abolish. He did, no argument. But he didn't misinterpret that. It was stated directly by the woman who asked the question: "we don't want no more police". Again, arguing (not you, the general you) that the word "defund" doesn't mean what it actually means is a very disingenuous position. Doubly so when half the crowd screaming it means EXACTLY that. It's a confusing message that's splitting the party rather than uniting it. 4 minutes ago, Motorin' said: He could have said he would commit to reinvest a portion of the police budget into the black community, and offer to sit down with the community to listen to their funding priorities... That wouldn't have been enough in that moment. The crowd wanted him to say no more police. Full stop. That's what a contingent of this group wants to achieve. And when you suggest a rational solution, they will not hear it. Which boxes centrist democrats into a no win position entirely of their own making. 4 minutes ago, Motorin' said: As far as Sleepy Joe, I had zero excitement or faith in his candidacy. Don't get me started... After the past week, I think most Americans would prefer Biden take a nap in the Oval Office for the next four years. I'd vote for Mr. Potato Head at this point. How's this -- Sleepy Joe, because America needs a nap... Sleepy Joe-- because we're ***** exhausted... The thing is, this was completely predictable in terms of No Chance Joe. Yet he was forced on the party by its elites regardless of his shortcomings. You should really ask yourself why that choice was made. Edited June 7, 2020 by Deranged Rhino 1 1
Capco Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Motorin' said: The mayor of Minneapolis ***** his pants in that moment. He also interpreted the request to defund as a request to abolish. He could have said he would commit to reinvest a portion of the police budget into the black community, and offer to sit down with the community to listen to their funding priorities... Fwiw, the organizer who asked the mayor this question said "we don't want any police in our city" or something to that effect just a couple seconds before he answered. 1
Walking Tall Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...LMAO....the kind, caring and thoughtful Mayor that handed out masks to rioters in the spirit of Covid-19 protectionism.......guaranteed landslide re-election....the "land of 10,000 fakes".............. I think you know what I am getting at.
reddogblitz Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Penfield45 said: kids are being denied lunch bc they can't afford it where is this happening?
B-Man Posted June 7, 2020 Author Posted June 7, 2020 QUESTION ASKED AND ANSWERED: “Who is responsible for the mess in Minneapolis? The answer to that question is not unknowable — but it is, in many political quarters, unspeakable.” Minneapolis’s municipal government, its institutions, and its police department are what they are not because of the abstract Hegelian forces of capital-H History, but because of decisions that have been made by people. Who these people are is a matter of public record. We know their names: Jacob Frey, Betsy Hodges, R. T. Rybak, Sharon Sayles Belton, Medaria Arradondo, Janeé Harteau, Tim Walz, Mark Dayton . . . the rogues’ gallery is practically inexhaustible. But, oh, the transmuting magic of partisanship! Minneapolis is a Democratic city, with a Democratic mayor and a Democratic city council (0.0 Republicans on that body), in a state with a Democratic governor and a Democratic state house; these are the people who hire police chiefs and organize police departments, who specify their procedures and priorities, who write the laws that the police are tasked with enforcing — Democrats and progressives practically to a man. (Not every member of the Minneapolis city council is a Democrat — there’s a Green, too.) That’s a lot of lefty power, hardly anything except lefty power — but, somehow, the bad guy in this story must be Donald Trump. Read the whole thing. 1 1
Motorin' Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: He did, no argument. But he didn't misinterpret that. It was stated directly by the woman who asked the question: "we don't want no more police". Again, arguing (not you, the general you) that the word "defund" doesn't mean what it actually means is a very disingenuous position. Doubly so when half the crowd screaming it means EXACTLY that. It's a confusing message that's splitting the party rather than uniting it. That wouldn't have been enough in that moment. The crowd wanted him to say no more police. Full stop. That's what a contingent of this group wants to achieve. And when you suggest a rational solution, they will not hear it. Which boxes centrist democrats into a no win position entirely of their own making. The thing is, this was completely predictable in terms of No Chance Joe. Yet he was forced on the party by its elites regardless of his shortcomings. You should really ask yourself why that choice was made. I don't see anyone anywhere abolishing the police. So the call to defund can only reasonably be viewed as partial, not whole. Similar to deinstitutionalization, not all of the pysch hospitals were closed, and some of the budget from the closed institutions were reinvested in community mental health centers. I know there are people that want abolishment of the police just like there are people who want abolishment of all psychiatric hospitals. What is going to happen, in some localities, is a shift in police budget into the community... As far as No Chance Joe, you might have a point had Dick Cheney not established the VP role as defacto president. Biden's VP and cabinet will basically going to run the show, and everyone knows that... And yes, when it came down to Biden v Sanders the party elites threw their weight behind a life long insider who is committed to neo-liberal economics. No surprise there, that's who they are. Edited June 7, 2020 by Motorin' 1
Deranged Rhino Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 Just now, Motorin' said: I don't see anyone anywhere abolishing the police. So the call to defund can only reasonably be viewed as partial, not whole. You're missing the point. You're being reasonable. Many are not. Including the woman who asked the Boy Mayor that question. She was clear she did not mean a "partial" defunding. That's a serious messaging problem. 1 minute ago, Motorin' said: As far as No Chance Joe, you might have a point had Dick Cheney not established the VP role as defacto president. Biden's VP and cabinet is basically going to run the show, and everyone knows that... That's about as un-American and un-democratic as it gets. Modeling anything after Dick Cheney and thinking that's a winning strategy is dishonest to its core. (again not you, the general you) 3
reddogblitz Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, BillStime said: What seems to me to be bigger news than Colin Powell’s endorsement of Joe Biden is the way he calls out Republican senators and others who normalize the president’s actions. This focus on other elected officials is an increasing part of the anti-Trump movement. it's not complicated. Colin just likes people that are dumb enough to get snookered by W. People who lied to the American people to get America in a bad war resulting in the death of 1,000,000+ Brown people. You know, people like himself. 2 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: First thing I would change is the regulations that are imposed on districts with no benefit to the educational result. These are not student oriented but in fact hurt the children. thanks for serving on school board. as to the bolded, can you give is an example of a rule you would get rid of please? Edited June 7, 2020 by reddogblitz
Sig1Hunter Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 27 minutes ago, Capco said: Oh really? Since you know so much about my intentions, tell me, what do I intend to have for dinner tonight? Pointing out a scene where a woman respectfully asks "what's going to happen at 8, sir?" only to hear the response "what's gonna happen is we're gonna start beating the ***** out of you" isn't worthy of note? (that's the final clip in the montage, last 15 seconds if you want to quickly verify it). @Deranged Rhino Correct, there's a lot at play here. Emotions are high on all sides. That means mistakes are bound to happen. That doesn't mean we should excuse the mistakes entirely though. For the most part the officers around are doing a good job I think. The protesting in my area has all been peaceful, and cops have joined in on several occasions. Still, any cops (and protesters) not following protocol should be reprimanded accordingly. I think that's only fair. I stand corrected ma'am. As I said, I appreciate you clarifying the matter for me. It still doesn't explain the tire slashings and window smashings, etc. And when I asked about these things, I wasn't trying to be facetious. Just because I disagree with many posters here politically doesn't mean there isn't value to be had at times. Like just now. I was referring to the intentions of the makers of that video. And their intentions are clearly to inflame tensions. By you linking the video, that means your intentions were the same. Enjoy your dinner. 1 1
Capco Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Sig1Hunter said: I was referring to the intentions of the makers of that video. And their intentions are clearly to inflame tensions. By you linking the video, that means your intentions were the same. Enjoy your dinner. Oh my, I've found another poster with excellent logic and reasoning skills. It takes talent to be this level of reductionist. Since you are so good at knowing other people's intent, what were the cops intending to do when they slashed and smashed random, empty, parked cars?
Motorin' Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: You're missing the point. You're being reasonable. Many are not. Including the woman who asked the Boy Mayor that question. She was clear she did not mean a "partial" defunding. That's a serious messaging problem. That's about as un-American and un-democratic as it gets. Modeling anything after Dick Cheney and thinking that's a winning strategy is dishonest to its core. (again not you, the general you) The way Cheney made high level decisions without consulting or informing W was complete and utter bull####. Biden's going to delegate authority, and hopefully won't surround himself with anyone as vile Cheney.
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