Deranged Rhino Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Just now, McGee Return TD said: because FREEDOM No bull####, no games, just an honest question about your personal opinion. Do you, McGee (or whoever you are today) believe that every person in the world has a fundamental human right to be an American citizen if they so choose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: No bull####, no games, just an honest question about your personal opinion. Do you, McGee (or whoever you are today) believe that every person in the world has a fundamental human right to be an American citizen if they so choose? In the perfect land of fairy tales, unicorns, and squonks - yes - every person in the world has a fundamental human right to be an American citizen if they so choose. In that same perfect land, every person also has the same fundamental human right to be a citizen of whatever country they choose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 minute ago, McGee Return TD said: In the perfect land of fairy tales, unicorns, and squonks - yes - every person in the world has a fundamental human right to be an American citizen if they so choose. In that same perfect land, every person also has the same fundamental human right to be a citizen of whatever country they choose. How many scoops of ice cream will this perfect world guarantee each citizen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Just now, GG said: How many scoops of ice cream will this perfect world guarantee each citizen? 69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, McGee Return TD said: but not if they put up a Honduran flag or call themselves Honduran-Americans! because FREEDOM You must duck a lot what with everything flying over your head. My waving the Honduran flag example was simply a euphemism for not buying in to true citizenship here or assimilating. Maybe you should find a place to post that isn't so hard for you, dumbass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted June 4, 2019 Author Share Posted June 4, 2019 People ARE becoming Americans Another Democrat Narrative Blown: Number Of New Citizens Hits 5-Year High Under Trump Administration 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, McGee Return TD said: In the perfect land of fairy tales, unicorns, and squonks - yes - every person in the world has a fundamental human right to be an American citizen if they so choose. In that same perfect land, every person also has the same fundamental human right to be a citizen of whatever country they choose. It's not perfect land though. I'm talking about reality. Today, right now, do you believe that every one in the world has a right to be an American citizen whenever they so choose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: It's not perfect land though. I'm talking about reality. Today, right now, do you believe that every one in the world has a fundamental human right to be an American citizen if they so choose? Added/fixed the bolded to match your previous question. Yes. 5 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: YoMy waving the Honduran flag example was simply a euphemism for not buying in to true citizenship here or assimilating. Do you get this aggravated at the St. Patrick's Day Parade when Irish-Americans proudly wave Irish flags? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, McGee Return TD said: Added/fixed the bolded to match your previous question. Yes. So you do not believe in borders or national sovereignty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Just now, Deranged Rhino said: So you do not believe in borders or national sovereignty? I believe in both. Fundamental human rights should exist both with and without borders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, McGee Return TD said: I believe in both. Fundamental human rights should exist both with and without borders. How can you reconcile both the belief in a nation's borders and sovereignty with the fact you also believe anyone, at any time, for any reason, can and should be allowed to enter the country and claim citizenship? They're incompatible notions, are they not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: How can you reconcile both the belief in a nation's borders and sovereignty with the fact you also believe anyone, at any time, for any reason, can and should be allowed to enter the country and claim citizenship? They're incompatible notions, are they not? Why would anyone want to immigrate anywhere if they're incompatible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 12 minutes ago, McGee Return TD said: Why would anyone want to immigrate anywhere if they're incompatible? We're not talking legal immigration, wherein people apply and go through a process to become citizens. That system already exists and I fully support it despite its flaws. But it's a system, based on laws determined and voted on by the people of the United States, and it's a process that rejects candidates as well as accepts them. That's not what I was asking your opinion on. I was asking your opinion about whether anyone in the world (the real world, not ideal world) can decide to be an American, skip that process and vetting, and enter the country immediately to reap the benefits just by nature of them being humans born on Earth. Unless I'm misunderstanding your opinion (still not trying to trap you or play games, trying to genuinely understand your position), you do not believe anyone should be denied citizenship -- which makes the concept of borders and national sovereignty moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: We're not talking legal immigration, wherein people apply and go through a process to become citizens. That system already exists and I fully support it despite its flaws. But it's a system, based on laws determined and voted on by the people of the United States, and it's a process that rejects candidates as well as accepts them. That's not what I was asking your opinion on. I was asking your opinion about whether anyone in the world (the real world, not ideal world) can decide to be an American, skip that process and vetting, and enter the country immediately to reap the benefits just by nature of them being humans born on Earth. Unless I'm misunderstanding your opinion (still not trying to trap you or play games, trying to genuinely understand your position), you do not believe anyone should be denied citizenship -- which makes the concept of borders and national sovereignty moot. The real not ideal world? Yes - and it's definitely not ideal Edited June 4, 2019 by McGee Return TD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, McGee Return TD said: The real not ideal world? Yes - and it's definitely not ideal ... Now I'm confused. Yes to what? Yes I'm correct in summarizing your opinion on the matter as being incompatible with national sovereignty and borders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, McGee Return TD said: Added/fixed the bolded to match your previous question. Yes. Do you get this aggravated at the St. Patrick's Day Parade when Irish-Americans proudly wave Irish flags? Of course not. I have no problem with celebrating Cinco de Mayo either. I already explained to you, you obtuse pos that waving the Honduran flag was a euphemism for not assimilating. Regardless, you are a shittyposter who I really don't care to discuss anything with. 23 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: ... Now I'm confused. Yes to what? Yes I'm correct in summarizing your opinion on the matter as being incompatible with national sovereignty and borders? You are wasting your time with that nitwit. I rarely respond to him but sometimes one needs to take a dump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, McGee Return TD said: I believe in both. Fundamental human rights should exist both with and without borders. Doesn't answer the question, does it? Like getting 69 scoops of ice cream and insisting that you don't get fat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, McGee Return TD said: In the perfect land of fairy tales, unicorns, and squonks - yes - every person in the world has a fundamental human right to be an American citizen if they so choose. In that same perfect land, every person also has the same fundamental human right to be a citizen of whatever country they choose. What other fundamental rights exist in this perfect land of yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGee Return TD Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 57 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: ... Now I'm confused. Yes to what? Yes I'm correct in summarizing your opinion on the matter as being incompatible with national sovereignty and borders? Yes that anyone can decide to be an American, skip that process and vetting, and enter the country immediately to reap the benefits just by nature of them being humans born on Earth. That is not ideal, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, McGee Return TD said: Yes that anyone can decide to be an American, skip that process and vetting, and enter the country immediately to reap the benefits just by nature of them being humans born on Earth. That is not ideal, though. First, I do appreciate taking the time to have an actual conversation Second (and third and fourth), if you do believe that people should be free to become American citizens whenever they wish without a system or legal process -- what role do you believe nation states play in our world today? Do they have any sovereignty? Should they be able to defend and secure their borders or interests? Or do you believe that nation states are defunct and we now live (or should live) in a completely globalist society? And if that's your opinion (please correct me if any of the above is wrong or needs expounding), who sets the agenda for the global community? Who makes the rules and laws? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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