Keukasmallies Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Chinese naval vessels probed Alaskan waters recently. POTUS may threaten to think about considering formation of an international commission to discuss halting production of fortune cookies in response. http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/04/politics/china-ships-alaska-us-waters/index.html?eref=edition Sail On, Oh Ship of State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 And it happened while POTUS was in Alaska... SMH.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who is Yuri? Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Does this mean that they'll be able to patrol their own trade routes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Chinese naval vessels probed Alaskan waters recently. POTUS may threaten to think about considering formation of an international commission to discuss halting production of fortune cookies in response. http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/04/politics/china-ships-alaska-us-waters/index.html?eref=edition Sail On, Oh Ship of State. I mentioned this in the China Exploding thread -- lots of stuff going on between the US and China behind the scenes right now. This is spillover from that. In my mind at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I mentioned this in the China Exploding thread -- lots of stuff going on between the US and China behind the scenes right now. This is spillover from that. In my mind at least. No, it's not. The PLAN has been transitioning from a littoral to a blue-water force for some time now, this is just a natural progression of that. In fact, I have a book about China's naval ambitions, printed in 1999, that says "in the first three decades of the 21st century" the PLAN would "break out" of the Western Pacific and develop "capabilities for deep-ocean warfare." Looks like that book was dead-on accurate. Plus...let's not overstate this. The "Alaska coast" includes such pleasure spots as Attu island, which about 1500 miles beyond the middle of nowhere. "The Chinese were of the Alaskan Coast when the President was there" is kind-of like saying the Chiefs and Niners play home games west of the Mississippi, so they must be near each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) Does this mean that they'll be able to patrol their own trade routes? Better question: Does our, unfortunately Obama-driven, inaction mean they will continue to develop a blue-sea navy? Here's how this goes: Big ships cost big $, and take 5 years to build. They aren't going to build them today, with the expectation that they will be useful in 5 years, unless they have darn good reason to believe they can control the trade routes, which aren't "theirs" at all. The trade routes in question were created by both Europe and the Americas when China's "navy" was nothing more than sampans. There is a legend of a single Chinese captain who sailed to the West Coast. But, that's a legend. Meanwhile the Spanish, Portuguese, English, French, Russians and USA actually charted and created the "trade routes"; reams of logs show documented evidence of this. Your premise is so silly that it literally requires the Boxer Rebellion to be nonexistant. How did the various powers create the very spheres of influence the "boxers" rebelled against..if not for sailing the trade routes they created to get there, and thus, create their little fiefdoms in the first place? I love it when Democrats try to play intellectual. Shows just how inferior they are when it's time to lay down the cards. Edited September 5, 2015 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted September 5, 2015 Author Share Posted September 5, 2015 Does this mean that they'll be able to patrol their own trade routes? Do they have a regular run to the container ports in the Aleutians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) I mentioned this in the China Exploding thread -- lots of stuff going on between the US and China behind the scenes right now. This is spillover from that. In my mind at least. There's a lot of stuff going on your mind that isn't quite based in facts Your opinion of China unfortunately is one of the outliers that is Edited September 5, 2015 by /dev/null Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 There's a lot of stuff going on your mind that isn't quite based in facts Your opinion of China unfortunately is one of the outliers that is The first part is undoubtedly true. The second I'm not so sure. There are a lot of little fires burning between China and the US: The OPM hack, the Sony hack, BRICS taking on the western financial systems, the build up in the South China Sea, exchanging hostile volleys with Japan and our allies in the area either directly or through NK proxies... China is clearly taking a larger role in not only their sphere of influence but attempting to expand to a more global stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I think Obama has shown that he can draw his 'red lines' anywhere, since they don't mean a damn thing anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 The first part is undoubtedly true. The second I'm not so sure. There are a lot of little fires burning between China and the US: The OPM hack, the Sony hack, BRICS taking on the western financial systems, the build up in the South China Sea, exchanging hostile volleys with Japan and our allies in the area either directly or through NK proxies... China is clearly taking a larger role in not only their sphere of influence but attempting to expand to a more global stage. The second part was what I was agreeing with It's an outlier in your mind that is actually based in fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 The second part was what I was agreeing with It's an outlier in your mind that is actually based in fact Then we need to add reading comprehension to my list of weaknesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Then we need to add reading comprehension to my list of weaknesses. And writing is not your strong suit either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I think Obama has shown that he can draw his 'red lines' anywhere, since they don't mean a damn thing anyway. Really, one of his red lines in a body of water would be just as substantial as anywhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Sure he can. According to some, he walks on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 And writing is not your strong suit either Hollywood tends to agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Hollywood tends to agree with you. Much like you having an idea based in fact, this is not something that happens frequently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Really, one of his red lines in a body of water would be just as substantial as anywhere else. Honestly, I don't think he could manage drawing a yellow line in the snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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