KD in CA Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 AD, the above begs the question.....WHO should make the determination of who is or is not a "good" police officer? Who is qualified to do so...me, who may be partial? Or you, who saw a TV show? I don't know, but it probably shouldn't be the PBA. How many officers did they suggest/agree should be terminated for poor performance/breach of the code of conduct or for any other reason during 2004? Out of the tens of thousands of cops in NYC, I'd assume they should help weed out at least a few bad apples, no? Also, how about the economic impact of the abuse of overtime rules? Who's watching that? The budget for public employees in NYC is simply staggering, and yet I've lost count of the number of protests I've seen at City Hall the past few years for richer public service union contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 I don't know, but it probably shouldn't be the PBA. How many officers did they suggest/agree should be terminated for poor performance/breach of the code of conduct or for any other reason during 2004? Out of the tens of thousands of cops in NYC, I'd assume they should help weed out at least a few bad apples, no? Also, how about the economic impact of the abuse of overtime rules? Who's watching that? The budget for public employees in NYC is simply staggering, and yet I've lost count of the number of protests I've seen at City Hall the past few years for richer public service union contracts. 248729[/snapback] KD, NYC Police Officers are currently paid more than $40,000 LESS than Nassau and Suffolk County Police Officers. To put it another way.....police officers are being paid this much more to patrol Great Neck, Brookville and Head of the Harbor than to walk the streets of Brooklyn on a cold dark night. Any sane person can see the inequity of this equation. The above listed depts have a 20 year pension...the difference being that NYC Police Officers pay more than $100.00 every 2 weeks for this. The other departments get it at no cost. What NYC cops DO get is a $12,000 check each year on top of our pensions. This was negotiated by a previous PBA President, Phil Caruso. To get this benefit, we actually gave the city a quarter of a billion dollars from our super-solvent pension fund. Phil was a Police Officer with 2 masters degrees, and was a great and pragmatic labor leader. He was good both for police officers and the city. If you are interested in NYC history, PM me, and I will tell you of a major event involving Phil that was settled before things got TRULY bad in NYC. It is something that few will ever discuss. Phil was THE man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 So what you're saying is...you're making out like a bandit in your current job. Good for you. Way to help propel the economy with your hard work. 248106[/snapback] I'm not interested in "propelling the economy" I'm just more interested in propelling my own paycheck and not some business owner's while he pays me slave salary for doing 2 jobs worth of work. That is what America is all about, right? Oh I see, that's only OK if you're non-union and republican. I don't think the economy is one damn bit different than when I was working at my former job. But I'm contributing more by buying things I like instead of just making more $$$ for a multimillionaire to stuff in some bank in the Cayman Islands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 I'm not interested in "propelling the economy" I'm just more interested in propelling my own paycheck and not some business owner's while he pays me slave salary for doing 2 jobs worth of work. That is what America is all about, right? Oh I see, that's only OK if you're non-union and republican. I don't think the economy is one damn bit different than when I was working at my former job. But I'm contributing more by buying things I like instead of just making more $$$ for a multimillionaire to stuff in some bank in the Cayman Islands. 256472[/snapback] BUSINESS=BAD! FLIGHTSUIT! HALLIBURTON! NOSE PICK!!! Gawd, but you union types are ignorant of reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 KD, NYC Police Officers are currently paid more than $40,000 LESS than Nassau and Suffolk County Police Officers. To put it another way.....police officers are being paid this much more to patrol Great Neck, Brookville and Head of the Harbor than to walk the streets of Brooklyn on a cold dark night. Any sane person can see the inequity of this equation. The above listed depts have a 20 year pension...the difference being that NYC Police Officers pay more than $100.00 every 2 weeks for this. The other departments get it at no cost. What NYC cops DO get is a $12,000 check each year on top of our pensions. This was negotiated by a previous PBA President, Phil Caruso. To get this benefit, we actually gave the city a quarter of a billion dollars from our super-solvent pension fund. Phil was a Police Officer with 2 masters degrees, and was a great and pragmatic labor leader. He was good both for police officers and the city. If you are interested in NYC history, PM me, and I will tell you of a major event involving Phil that was settled before things got TRULY bad in NYC. It is something that few will ever discuss. Phil was THE man! 248821[/snapback] Did this have anything to do with the Bourough chiefs taking money from PVB and when they got caught a bunch of them jumping from there offices and the PVB employee jumping out of the Amex building back in the 80's? BTW, I helped but systems in place so that skimming didn't happen as overtly again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Did this have anything to do with the Bourough chiefs taking money from PVB and when they got caught a bunch of them jumping from there offices and the PVB employee jumping out of the Amex building back in the 80's? BTW, I helped but systems in place so that skimming didn't happen as overtly again. 256521[/snapback] It was not police department "borough chiefs." The thief was the Queens Borough President, a man named "Donald Manes." As BP, he had a pretty good deal. He would start his day with enormous meals. Then he would consume alcohol and ingest various drugs. Next up....prostitutes! When he had the strength left, he stole a few million with the help of a collection afency hired to collect parking fines. The problem was, people would pay the fines, be billed again, and they would not accept any proof that the fine was already paid. When caught, suicide was only a matter of time. He was successful after at least one prior attempt. Not that it matters, but he was a liberal dem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 It was not police department "borough chiefs." The thief was the Queens Borough President, a man named "Donald Manes." As BP, he had a pretty good deal. He would start his day with enormous meals. Then he would consume alcohol and ingest various drugs. Next up....prostitutes! When he had the strength left, he stole a few million with the help of a collection afency hired to collect parking fines. The problem was, people would pay the fines, be billed again, and they would not accept any proof that the fine was already paid. When caught, suicide was only a matter of time. He was successful after at least one prior attempt. Not that it matters, but he was a liberal dem. 256866[/snapback] Oh I know it wasn;t the police borough chief. There was more then him involved, my undertsanding was there were about 15 folks who either went to jail or committed suicide. Having any of the news stories displayed at the AMEX building 15 floor was a nono and if you openingly talked about it, they escorted you from the building never to return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbeau Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 Unions suck and their time is done - GO WAL MART 264193[/snapback] Well that settles it. We can close the thread now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TracyLee Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 No - no joke, and somebody could correct if I'm wrong here, but every 5 years, they got a 13 week paid vacation. Not sure if that was in addition to their regular vacation that year, but it was definitely in addition to whatever weeks they got their other years................. I have no idea why that plant closed? 236957[/snapback] I'm pretty sure that this is total BS. My dad retired from Bethlehem after 30 some years and I'm sure I would've noticed if he had 13 weeks vacation every year. I'll ask him next week when he gets back from Maui, and I'll be sure to let you know . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 Being laid off for 13 weeks can be consisdered a vacation can't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikes16 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 I am just wondering as I sit here at home with my family in our new in-ground swimming pool enjoying one of my six weeks of vacation I get, just how many union members we have here. I am union and proud of it. Now let me know your feelings again on this issue. I always get a kick out of the non-union workers feelings about the unionized workforce. I bet I will get alot of responses like these examples: 1) Union workers are lazy and do nothing all day. 2) Unions are killing this world, they are the reason we are in such financial troubles in this country. 3) Way overpaid and underworked. Those are just a few of the responses I expect. 99% of the union bashers that will respond to this post either cant get a union job because they have failed an entry intelligence test to get the job, or passed the test and was all set until they pulled a hair out of your head and found traces of some illegal drug in your system and promptly asked you to exit the building. Please, chime in on this issue , and be gentle. Remember, I know the End Zone Krew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macdaddy Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Sitting by your inground pool with your Piels Light at your side and your Chevy Cavalier in your driveway. Your my fricken hero. And you're right...I'd fail the inteligence test. I have no idea how many boxes of french fries fit on a pallet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammered a Lot Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Was the company that installed your pool Union??? So you know the E.C.K.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikes16 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Was the company that installed your pool Union??? So you know the E.C.K.. 364948[/snapback] Lol, I couldnt find a unionized pool company anywhere in the area where I live. I did look. Turns out that 3 of the MANUAL laborers digging the hole for my pool failed the test for the same company that I work for. Now thats some funny sh--. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikes16 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Sitting by your inground pool with your Piels Light at your side and your Chevy Cavalier in your driveway. Your my fricken hero. And you're right...I'd fail the inteligence test. I have no idea how many boxes of french fries fit on a pallet. 364947[/snapback] Riiiiiiiiiight.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spun Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 I have two jobs one that is non-union and one that is union. The one that is non-union is afraid of going union so it is very sensitive to employee complaints and providing benefits. The union job has it's share of lazy types who coast through the shift. Not everybody is that way but some act like it is their right to coast. However, there are some pretty bad , ignorant managements types that cause their share of the animosity. In the union job, I am glad it is there. In the non-union job I am glad that the union isn't there but that it's shadow falls down on the manegement's collective mindset. Unions were invented for good reasons. However, they have fosterd there share of problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikes16 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 I have two jobs one that is non-union and one that is union. The one that is non-union is afraid of going union so it is very sensitive to employee complaints and providing benefits. The union job has it's share of lazy types who coast through the shift. Not everybody is that way but some act like it is their right to coast. However, there are some pretty bad , ignorant managements types that cause their share of the animosity. In the union job, I am glad it is there. In the non-union job I am glad that the union isn't there but that it's shadow falls down on the manegement's collective mindset. Unions were invented for good reasons. However, they have fosterd there share of problems. 364957[/snapback] I agree with everything you said, Unions have their bad members as well as their good , dedicated members/workers. But your point about the union shadow hanging around management at your non-union job speaks volumes about the effectiveness of unions. They are there to protect and nurish your way of life. To keep management on their toes and to let them know that workers have rights, and they are there to make sure those rights are followed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Why did you start a new topic about unions? If you did a search, you would have noticed that there is already a union thread in PPP. I guess you missed the search button question on your union exam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikes16 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Why did you start a new topic about unions? If you did a search, you would have noticed that there is already a union thread in PPP. I guess you missed the search button question on your union exam. 364965[/snapback] Bored, wanted some new responses to talk about. Ok with jew?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Drane Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Hmmmnn....I wonder why the city is in the toilet? Could it be from the decades of the local government and the Unions giving each other kickbacks until the well ran dry? Nah! I'm just paranoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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