KD in CA Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 AD, the above begs the question.....WHO should make the determination of who is or is not a "good" police officer? Who is qualified to do so...me, who may be partial? Or you, who saw a TV show? I don't know, but it probably shouldn't be the PBA. How many officers did they suggest/agree should be terminated for poor performance/breach of the code of conduct or for any other reason during 2004? Out of the tens of thousands of cops in NYC, I'd assume they should help weed out at least a few bad apples, no? Also, how about the economic impact of the abuse of overtime rules? Who's watching that? The budget for public employees in NYC is simply staggering, and yet I've lost count of the number of protests I've seen at City Hall the past few years for richer public service union contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 I don't know, but it probably shouldn't be the PBA. How many officers did they suggest/agree should be terminated for poor performance/breach of the code of conduct or for any other reason during 2004? Out of the tens of thousands of cops in NYC, I'd assume they should help weed out at least a few bad apples, no? Also, how about the economic impact of the abuse of overtime rules? Who's watching that? The budget for public employees in NYC is simply staggering, and yet I've lost count of the number of protests I've seen at City Hall the past few years for richer public service union contracts. 248729[/snapback] KD, NYC Police Officers are currently paid more than $40,000 LESS than Nassau and Suffolk County Police Officers. To put it another way.....police officers are being paid this much more to patrol Great Neck, Brookville and Head of the Harbor than to walk the streets of Brooklyn on a cold dark night. Any sane person can see the inequity of this equation. The above listed depts have a 20 year pension...the difference being that NYC Police Officers pay more than $100.00 every 2 weeks for this. The other departments get it at no cost. What NYC cops DO get is a $12,000 check each year on top of our pensions. This was negotiated by a previous PBA President, Phil Caruso. To get this benefit, we actually gave the city a quarter of a billion dollars from our super-solvent pension fund. Phil was a Police Officer with 2 masters degrees, and was a great and pragmatic labor leader. He was good both for police officers and the city. If you are interested in NYC history, PM me, and I will tell you of a major event involving Phil that was settled before things got TRULY bad in NYC. It is something that few will ever discuss. Phil was THE man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 So what you're saying is...you're making out like a bandit in your current job. Good for you. Way to help propel the economy with your hard work. 248106[/snapback] I'm not interested in "propelling the economy" I'm just more interested in propelling my own paycheck and not some business owner's while he pays me slave salary for doing 2 jobs worth of work. That is what America is all about, right? Oh I see, that's only OK if you're non-union and republican. I don't think the economy is one damn bit different than when I was working at my former job. But I'm contributing more by buying things I like instead of just making more $$$ for a multimillionaire to stuff in some bank in the Cayman Islands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 I'm not interested in "propelling the economy" I'm just more interested in propelling my own paycheck and not some business owner's while he pays me slave salary for doing 2 jobs worth of work. That is what America is all about, right? Oh I see, that's only OK if you're non-union and republican. I don't think the economy is one damn bit different than when I was working at my former job. But I'm contributing more by buying things I like instead of just making more $$$ for a multimillionaire to stuff in some bank in the Cayman Islands. 256472[/snapback] BUSINESS=BAD! FLIGHTSUIT! HALLIBURTON! NOSE PICK!!! Gawd, but you union types are ignorant of reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 KD, NYC Police Officers are currently paid more than $40,000 LESS than Nassau and Suffolk County Police Officers. To put it another way.....police officers are being paid this much more to patrol Great Neck, Brookville and Head of the Harbor than to walk the streets of Brooklyn on a cold dark night. Any sane person can see the inequity of this equation. The above listed depts have a 20 year pension...the difference being that NYC Police Officers pay more than $100.00 every 2 weeks for this. The other departments get it at no cost. What NYC cops DO get is a $12,000 check each year on top of our pensions. This was negotiated by a previous PBA President, Phil Caruso. To get this benefit, we actually gave the city a quarter of a billion dollars from our super-solvent pension fund. Phil was a Police Officer with 2 masters degrees, and was a great and pragmatic labor leader. He was good both for police officers and the city. If you are interested in NYC history, PM me, and I will tell you of a major event involving Phil that was settled before things got TRULY bad in NYC. It is something that few will ever discuss. Phil was THE man! 248821[/snapback] Did this have anything to do with the Bourough chiefs taking money from PVB and when they got caught a bunch of them jumping from there offices and the PVB employee jumping out of the Amex building back in the 80's? BTW, I helped but systems in place so that skimming didn't happen as overtly again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Did this have anything to do with the Bourough chiefs taking money from PVB and when they got caught a bunch of them jumping from there offices and the PVB employee jumping out of the Amex building back in the 80's? BTW, I helped but systems in place so that skimming didn't happen as overtly again. 256521[/snapback] It was not police department "borough chiefs." The thief was the Queens Borough President, a man named "Donald Manes." As BP, he had a pretty good deal. He would start his day with enormous meals. Then he would consume alcohol and ingest various drugs. Next up....prostitutes! When he had the strength left, he stole a few million with the help of a collection afency hired to collect parking fines. The problem was, people would pay the fines, be billed again, and they would not accept any proof that the fine was already paid. When caught, suicide was only a matter of time. He was successful after at least one prior attempt. Not that it matters, but he was a liberal dem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 It was not police department "borough chiefs." The thief was the Queens Borough President, a man named "Donald Manes." As BP, he had a pretty good deal. He would start his day with enormous meals. Then he would consume alcohol and ingest various drugs. Next up....prostitutes! When he had the strength left, he stole a few million with the help of a collection afency hired to collect parking fines. The problem was, people would pay the fines, be billed again, and they would not accept any proof that the fine was already paid. When caught, suicide was only a matter of time. He was successful after at least one prior attempt. Not that it matters, but he was a liberal dem. 256866[/snapback] Oh I know it wasn;t the police borough chief. There was more then him involved, my undertsanding was there were about 15 folks who either went to jail or committed suicide. Having any of the news stories displayed at the AMEX building 15 floor was a nono and if you openingly talked about it, they escorted you from the building never to return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbeau Posted March 5, 2005 Share Posted March 5, 2005 Unions suck and their time is done - GO WAL MART 264193[/snapback] Well that settles it. We can close the thread now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TracyLee Posted March 13, 2005 Share Posted March 13, 2005 No - no joke, and somebody could correct if I'm wrong here, but every 5 years, they got a 13 week paid vacation. Not sure if that was in addition to their regular vacation that year, but it was definitely in addition to whatever weeks they got their other years................. I have no idea why that plant closed? 236957[/snapback] I'm pretty sure that this is total BS. My dad retired from Bethlehem after 30 some years and I'm sure I would've noticed if he had 13 weeks vacation every year. I'll ask him next week when he gets back from Maui, and I'll be sure to let you know . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 Being laid off for 13 weeks can be consisdered a vacation can't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikes16 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 I am just wondering as I sit here at home with my family in our new in-ground swimming pool enjoying one of my six weeks of vacation I get, just how many union members we have here. I am union and proud of it. Now let me know your feelings again on this issue. I always get a kick out of the non-union workers feelings about the unionized workforce. I bet I will get alot of responses like these examples: 1) Union workers are lazy and do nothing all day. 2) Unions are killing this world, they are the reason we are in such financial troubles in this country. 3) Way overpaid and underworked. Those are just a few of the responses I expect. 99% of the union bashers that will respond to this post either cant get a union job because they have failed an entry intelligence test to get the job, or passed the test and was all set until they pulled a hair out of your head and found traces of some illegal drug in your system and promptly asked you to exit the building. Please, chime in on this issue , and be gentle. Remember, I know the End Zone Krew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macdaddy Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Sitting by your inground pool with your Piels Light at your side and your Chevy Cavalier in your driveway. Your my fricken hero. And you're right...I'd fail the inteligence test. I have no idea how many boxes of french fries fit on a pallet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammered a Lot Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Was the company that installed your pool Union??? So you know the E.C.K.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikes16 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Was the company that installed your pool Union??? So you know the E.C.K.. 364948[/snapback] Lol, I couldnt find a unionized pool company anywhere in the area where I live. I did look. Turns out that 3 of the MANUAL laborers digging the hole for my pool failed the test for the same company that I work for. Now thats some funny sh--. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikes16 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Sitting by your inground pool with your Piels Light at your side and your Chevy Cavalier in your driveway. Your my fricken hero. And you're right...I'd fail the inteligence test. I have no idea how many boxes of french fries fit on a pallet. 364947[/snapback] Riiiiiiiiiight.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spun Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 I have two jobs one that is non-union and one that is union. The one that is non-union is afraid of going union so it is very sensitive to employee complaints and providing benefits. The union job has it's share of lazy types who coast through the shift. Not everybody is that way but some act like it is their right to coast. However, there are some pretty bad , ignorant managements types that cause their share of the animosity. In the union job, I am glad it is there. In the non-union job I am glad that the union isn't there but that it's shadow falls down on the manegement's collective mindset. Unions were invented for good reasons. However, they have fosterd there share of problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikes16 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 I have two jobs one that is non-union and one that is union. The one that is non-union is afraid of going union so it is very sensitive to employee complaints and providing benefits. The union job has it's share of lazy types who coast through the shift. Not everybody is that way but some act like it is their right to coast. However, there are some pretty bad , ignorant managements types that cause their share of the animosity. In the union job, I am glad it is there. In the non-union job I am glad that the union isn't there but that it's shadow falls down on the manegement's collective mindset. Unions were invented for good reasons. However, they have fosterd there share of problems. 364957[/snapback] I agree with everything you said, Unions have their bad members as well as their good , dedicated members/workers. But your point about the union shadow hanging around management at your non-union job speaks volumes about the effectiveness of unions. They are there to protect and nurish your way of life. To keep management on their toes and to let them know that workers have rights, and they are there to make sure those rights are followed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Why did you start a new topic about unions? If you did a search, you would have noticed that there is already a union thread in PPP. I guess you missed the search button question on your union exam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikes16 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Why did you start a new topic about unions? If you did a search, you would have noticed that there is already a union thread in PPP. I guess you missed the search button question on your union exam. 364965[/snapback] Bored, wanted some new responses to talk about. Ok with jew?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Drane Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Hmmmnn....I wonder why the city is in the toilet? Could it be from the decades of the local government and the Unions giving each other kickbacks until the well ran dry? Nah! I'm just paranoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eSJayDee Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Philosophically, I'm opposed to unions. This is a capitalist economy/society where value/cost of things is/should be determined by fair supply & demand. Labor is no different. There's laws for companies not acting in a manner that's conducive to fair trade (monopoly, collusion, etc.), yet we allow & in sometimes even promote those very actions from our labor force. That said, I realize that in some instances, unions are a necessary evil in that they provide an 'efficiency' in the market. You need to quote overpay unquote to have people make widgets so that there's enough capital available for people to purchase do-hickeys and keep them off the public dole. In theory, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikes16 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Hmmmnn....I wonder why the city is in the toilet? Could it be from the decades of the local government and the Unions giving each other kickbacks until the well ran dry? Nah! I'm just paranoid. 364969[/snapback] Are you serious??? You are going to blame the unions for the disaster we call Bufffalo? Typical non-union /management response. This city/county has been run into the ground by our political leaders that keep getting voted back into office. Massiello,Giambra, look at them before you start busting on the union workers. Christ,we cant even decide on what bridge to build. Whats it been 5 years ? That must also be the fault of the unions. Buffalo is a great football town but other than that it sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Are you serious??? You are going to blame the unions for the disaster we call Bufffalo? Typical non-union /management response. This city/county has been run into the ground by our political leaders that keep getting voted back into office. Massiello,Giambra, look at them before you start busting on the union workers. Christ,we cant even decide on what bridge to build. Whats it been 5 years ? That must also be the fault of the unions. Buffalo is a great football town but other than that it sucks. 364975[/snapback] Yeah, the unions haven't at all played a roll in the demise. Unions aren't completely evil but have evolved into something that no longer has the best intentions of the workers in mind. It's pretty much the cycle of anything involving power, people, and money, when you get right down to it. But for your sake we can pretend they're really great and not contributing to the demise of our society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Drane Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Are you serious??? You are going to blame the unions for the disaster we call Bufffalo? Typical non-union /management response. This city/county has been run into the ground by our political leaders that keep getting voted back into office. Massiello,Giambra, look at them before you start busting on the union workers. Christ,we cant even decide on what bridge to build. Whats it been 5 years ? That must also be the fault of the unions. Buffalo is a great football town but other than that it sucks. 364975[/snapback] Not busting on the workers. I don't know how long you've lived in Buffalo, but it doesn't turn into a ghost town overnight. It's been 50 years of a slow rape, accelerated when renewable $ left town because it was cheaper to do business elsewhere. Who do you think owns Masiello and Giambra? The government is the only game left in town, and now that their well is dried up the state convienently steps in to throw in the towel after the damage is done. As for your bridge....why does it take 5 years? Because they've shelled out millions to "consulting groups" to come up with a viable plan. There's no bridge, there is no waterfront, but you just might get a fancy new Bass Pro!! I wonder who gets the job of accepting the $25 million county granted job of redoing the Aud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Can you say "outsourcing?" I knew that you could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mailman Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Forgive me for my frankness, but, in my own experience, Union s suck, plain and simple. This is, however, a very skewed perception based on past events that caused me to have a lingering bad taste in my mouth. On the other side, I worked with several union guys that were top notch, and exemplified the term "A fair days work for a fair days pay". Unfortunately, the sh1tless layabouts that ruled the roost overshadowed everything else. This response is not directed personally, just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Tate Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 I am just wondering as I sit here at home with my family in our new in-ground swimming pool enjoying one of my six weeks of vacation I get, just how many union members we have here. I am union and proud of it. I guess Christopher and Paulie helped move the money and the bodies before they started digging for the pool? I keeed, I keeeeeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmac17 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Ok, here we go folks... 1) Spikes, I loved our last talk about unions so much I have you forever quoted in my sig line. And yes, the typo was yours as well. 2) The fact that you started off your post bragging about your new pool and vacation says a lot about you. There are some people on this board that could fit your new pool inside their second garage, but you sure as hell won't hear them talking about it on a football message board. 3) I dislike unions based on personal experiences. All union workers are not bad by any stretch, but there are stereotypes for a reason, and I have experienced or witnessed many of these...teachers unions, teamsters etc...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Unions suck! They protect the laziest, most useless worker. Whats the incentive to produce? No wonder why all our jobs are outsourced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Not busting on the workers. I don't know how long you've lived in Buffalo, but it doesn't turn into a ghost town overnight. It's been 50 years of a slow rape, accelerated when renewable $ left town because it was cheaper to do business elsewhere. Who do you think owns Masiello and Giambra? The government is the only game left in town, and now that their well is dried up the state convienently steps in to throw in the towel after the damage is done. As for your bridge....why does it take 5 years? Because they've shelled out millions to "consulting groups" to come up with a viable plan. There's no bridge, there is no waterfront, but you just might get a fancy new Bass Pro!! I wonder who gets the job of accepting the $25 million county granted job of redoing the Aud? 364997[/snapback] Buffalo has ALWAYS been a worker town. A lot of businesses in Buffalo have had their home HQ's elswhere. Now that is a problem because where do businesses retract to during tough economic times? Back to their home city? Buffalo has historically been an "outpost" for businesses in other cities. There is no loyalty to Buffalo. How many businesses in the last 50 years pulled out of Buffalo that were based in Buffalo? I can name two, I am sure there are more but, you can't deny that the big players came from other cities: Curtiss Trico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 This place is just too strange. Glad I could be a part of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 I am just wondering as I sit here at home with my family in our new in-ground swimming pool enjoying one of my six weeks of vacation I get, just how many union members we have here. 364944[/snapback] The stereotype of union workers being lazy and unwilling to work is just so inexplicable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Ok, here we go folks... 1) Spikes, I loved our last talk about unions so much I have you forever quoted in my sig line. And yes, the typo was yours as well. 2) The fact that you started off your post bragging about your new pool and vacation says a lot about you. There are some people on this board that could fit your new pool inside their second garage, but you sure as hell won't hear them talking about it on a football message board. 3) I dislike unions based on personal experiences. All union workers are not bad by any stretch, but there are stereotypes for a reason, and I have experienced or witnessed many of these...teachers unions, teamsters etc...... 365011[/snapback] I see the comrade hasn't replied to your quotation of his $28 an hour post. Can't wait until his company outsources to China where they pay their workers 1/100th of the cost to do a better job. Then again, he may not even be manufacturing. If he's got 13 weeks of vacation, he's likely a teacher, in which case he's still leeching off society's teet. Within 25 years there will be hardly any union jobs left in the manufacturing sector. It's not economically viable. And guess what? I won't shed a tear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemur King Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Can you say "outsourcing?" I knew that you could. 365000[/snapback] Toyota employs 250,000 workers. In the US. GM just ordered 50,000 engines. From a Honda plant. In the US. I can say outsourcing. Can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Toyota employs 250,000 workers. In the US. GM just ordered 50,000 engines. From a Honda plant. In the US. I can say outsourcing. Can you? 365256[/snapback] That's all well and good. Hope we never fight another war with the Japanese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 99% of the union bashers that will respond to this post either cant get a union job because they have failed an entry intelligence test to get the job Turns out that 3 of the MANUAL laborers digging the hole for my pool failed the test for the same company that I work for. Now thats some funny sh--. Wow, so you actually passed an exam that was also given to retards that dig holes for a living? That’s impressive. I guess you wouldn't have gotten as much vacation time as a brain surgeon or rocket scientist huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Ok, here we go folks... 1) Spikes, I loved our last talk about unions so much I have you forever quoted in my sig line. And yes, the typo was yours as well. Apparently use of the apostrophe and other hugely complex subjects are not covered on the Spikes' union exam! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadCap Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Ok, here we go folks... 1) Spikes, I loved our last talk about unions so much I have you forever quoted in my sig line. And yes, the typo was yours as well. 2) The fact that you started off your post bragging about your new pool and vacation says a lot about you. There are some people on this board that could fit your new pool inside their second garage, but you sure as hell won't hear them talking about it on a football message board. 3) I dislike unions based on personal experiences. All union workers are not bad by any stretch, but there are stereotypes for a reason, and I have experienced or witnessed many of these...teachers unions, teamsters etc...... 365011[/snapback] Perfectly described Gman. I also deemed Spike's commentary to be sig worthy.... With the typo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Gant Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Philosophically, I'm opposed to unions. This is a capitalist economy/society where value/cost of things is/should be determined by fair supply & demand. Labor is no different. 364972[/snapback] Do you really think labor cost is determined by fair supply and demand? There is the free movement of capital, but there is no free movement of labor. Or have you tried to get a job in China recently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Imagine that. A union guy protecting the institution that allows him to be a lazy $h*t. The place of the union in our society has long outlived it's usefulness. I'd quit my job before I was ever forced to join a stinkin' union. There's union idiots protesting here in Rochester because companies have decided to use cheaper American labor from Syracuse and Buffalo. These are people who work in skilled trades like masonry. They'd rather have a cookout in front of Kohl's than work. Lazy bastards. And at the same time I can't find a decent mason to fix my front porch. Lazy bastards would rather picket than earn a fair wage. Unions suck ass. I've got so many dumbass union stories just from working 6 years at Kodak I could write a book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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