bobblehead Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 $600m is roughly $40/head for NYS residents. Relative to what we're paying, that's trivial.224100[/snapback] How much is it per head of the NYS residents who will be actually be paying it? That's not trivial to alot of those people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 And I have always been one of those people who has recognized not only the down side, but the up side to NYC. I am not one of those who argues that Upstate would be better off without NYC........quite frankly it would not. But this is just another example of downstate politicians working with a blind eye toward upstate. Yes a new stadium would be nice in NYC, and any help to bring in Olympics would be good as well, however, when will Albany ever look west? 224086[/snapback] Upstate New York would be better off without NYC. Yes, NYC can generate a lot of tax revenue, but its existence masks the true economic woes of this area. Wouldn't we be the poorest state in the country if we seperated off of NYC? Having that distinction would bring some national attention to the problems people face here, instead they are ignored. Besides, any revenue advantage is decreasing: the school aid changes will have disastorous effects on upstate either in decreased spending or increased taxes. The Assembly is run by city politicians and the Senate is run by Long Island. Upstate and downstate are too different to effectively coexist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Let's also not forget about what the new stadium mean for the Jets fans and the Bills fans. More revenue for the Jets will allow them to have richer signing bonuses and strengthen their ability to attract FAs over us. Also for the Jets fans this means significantly higher ticket prices, no real parking, no tailgaiting, crappier season tickets, etc. I am not sure who really benefits here besides the owner and Jets fans living on Manhattan. For Jets fans in most areas, it will be more difficult to go to a game. The state had much more important things to spend its money on and it has things they could get a much better return on investment from. If they are going to build them a stadium, at least find a more cost-effective way to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsNYC Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 I spoke to somebody who said a friend has in the works a business that would rent out pontoon boats so people can tailgate on the Hudson River before games. Actually a great idea since there will be NOWHERE to tailgate, and bars won't be able to fit the 50,000 people who probably like to party before the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
udonkey Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 I spoke to somebody who said a friend has in the works a business that would rent out pontoon boats so people can tailgate on the Hudson River before games. Actually a great idea since there will be NOWHERE to tailgate, and bars won't be able to fit the 50,000 people who probably like to party before the games. 224144[/snapback] Cool idea. Seems like a disaster waiting to happen though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 I spoke to somebody who said a friend has in the works a business that would rent out pontoon boats so people can tailgate on the Hudson River before games. Actually a great idea since there will be NOWHERE to tailgate, and bars won't be able to fit the 50,000 people who probably like to party before the games. 224144[/snapback] That's a fantastic idea. Tell him they should have one boat reserved for visiting team fans. Can you imagine that? Everyone can roll the Pinto right onto the boat for the tailgate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 This is a little dated, but I still agree with it: Upstate Should Secede from Metro NY. I'd like to know how much (if any) NY taxpayer money went to refurbish the Ralph some years back... anyone? BTW if NYC does get the 2012 Olympics, then I am friggin' moving out of this area of SW CT that summer. Traffic is already a joke and would become unbearable throughout the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 when will Albany ever look west? 224086[/snapback] How quickly they forget!!! I seem to recall that the State kicked in BIG TIME when we redid the Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike32282 Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 I've been against this stadium from the beginning. It's such a damn waste of money and the worst part would be that if they spend all that money to get the Olympics and the bid fails. Let NYC pay for the damn thing. This state is broke enough right now. Leave some money for Western NY. We could use a lot for the schools and everything else. Hell, Rochester is going to be closing at least one school because they can't afford it. There is no way in hell that my tax dollars should be used to pay for a !@#$ing Stadium. :I starred in Brokeback Mountain: Pataki and all you NYC government MORONS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanone Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 I spoke to somebody who said a friend has in the works a business that would rent out pontoon boats so people can tailgate on the Hudson River before games. Actually a great idea since there will be NOWHERE to tailgate, and bars won't be able to fit the 50,000 people who probably like to party before the games. 224144[/snapback] Plus bars can't serve before noon on Sundays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmac17 Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 the stadium will also be a part of a much needed convention center complex, which will help them get trade show business from cities like Chicago, New Orleans, Atlanta, Vegas etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duey Posted January 31, 2005 Author Share Posted January 31, 2005 Hate to do it, but I have to stick up for Jets fan here. No one I know, and I live two miles from Jets HQ on Long Island, really WANTS that West Side Stadium. They ALL want it in Queens, next to Shea Stadium. That Queens location makes perfect sense....all the access points are there, including roads, water, rail (from Long Island AND NYC) and even air. And the cost would be half. And even though I hate their guts, you gotta admit...those Jets fans deserve their own park. They play in another team's park....in Jersey! 224120[/snapback] Hey...no slight to the Jets fans intended. My father-in-law is a season ticket holder since 1968, and he would love nothing better to get back out to Queens. This whole stadium thing is less about the Jets then it is the City of New York wanting more than just the Olympics as the reason to have it built. P.S. I don't want the damn Olympics here either. The security issues around here are a nightmare if we go from yellow to orange...I can only image the hell when we bring folks from 200+ nations into this area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duey Posted January 31, 2005 Author Share Posted January 31, 2005 the stadium will also be a part of a much needed convention center complex, which will help them get trade show business from cities like Chicago, New Orleans, Atlanta, Vegas etc. 224233[/snapback] Have you ever seen the Jacob Javits center? With MSG a few blocks away? Like New York can't get enough freaking people to come here as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Let the jests fans have what they deserve, a stadium with no parking lot and no tailgates. They can go to a 12 dollar per beer bar in which no smoking is allowed. Enjoy yourselves, morons! I will be partying with Mark, cl, 89, Badolbilz and crew, R.Rich, Lancaster Steve, JIS, bill in livonia, and whoever else cares to honor me with their presence! Sorry to those I left out. There should be no jests fans living in the state of NY imo. I lived in Queens for 34 years and am a recovering jest fan. They left us. They decided to abandon their NYC fans. Honestly, they did me a favor, because the day they left, I commited myself to the Buffalo Bills football team and have never looked back. Have fun jests fans! Spend $300 - $500 dollars to see a football game with no tailgate (the best part of football)!!! Tell them Bill from NYC says hello from Orchard Park, where he tailgates and watches football games with the greatest fans of any team in any sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmac17 Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Have you ever seen the Jacob Javits center? With MSG a few blocks away? Like New York can't get enough freaking people to come here as it is. the Javits center sucks. Ask NYC about their convention business compared to places like Las Vegas, Chicago, New Orleans and Orlando - it is a fraction of what they get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 the Javits center sucks. Ask NYC about their convention business compared to places like Las Vegas, Chicago, New Orleans and Orlando - it is a fraction of what they get. 224277[/snapback] I am ignorant of this issue, but is it really the convention centers that is the problem or that it is more expensive to have things in general in NYC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsNYC Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 I am ignorant of this issue, but is it really the convention centers that is the problem or that it is more expensive to have things in general in NYC? 224292[/snapback] I've never been IN Javitz, but I heard it sucks. They def need to remodel it. Adding a billion dollar stadium next door is not the answer. There already is a TON of traffic on the West Side, especially since that's where all the cruise ships dock and the Intrepid Air Craft Carrier museum is right there. Plus, you have MSG located a few blocks away, as well as Time's Square. Honestly...the only reason people want the stadium is because it's cool. I agree it'd be cool to have a state of the art stadium located in Manhattan, but the logistics for making it happen aren't worth it. And I HATE the Fireman Ed commercial...of course the other side has yet to put out an impressive counter ad in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Cause it'll be cool to have a pro stadium in manhattan. Plus, it'll be less of a commute for me to the Jets game every year. Damn, you're not too selfish, are you? Is your name George Costanza? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30dive Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 How quickly they forget!!! I seem to recall that the State kicked in BIG TIME when we redid the Ralph. 224223[/snapback] This is more than one stadium, more than one issue, the country is in a "recovery" but central and western NY continue to fall into decline, while Albany continues to ignore. Hell even my old hometown of Rochester is hurting and that place used to be a self supporting island, and no 70,000 seat stadium has ever been built there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB27 Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 I think they should build the stadium. It would be great for NYC, and the 600mil is quickly offset by the money this would bring in. I hope it happens! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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