Alaska Darin Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 Who the hell let you back in here? 220681[/snapback] I did. Forgot to close the door behind me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted January 27, 2005 Author Share Posted January 27, 2005 Wanna bet? 220669[/snapback] So you come back and that is your only input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 I'm not saying this to brag or belittle but I've forgotten more about the subject of this thread than you guys will ever know. 220454[/snapback] I seriously doubt it... You clearly don't know the history or caliber of a good many of the people that post here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 Things I have not read in the mainstream media, these are but a few examples of more info that you never see on the "news". http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/mcn2000.nsf...18?opendocument http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/mcn2000.nsf...FD?opendocument http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/mcn2000.nsf...BA?opendocument http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/mcn2000.nsf...29?opendocument http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/mcn2000.nsf...E3?opendocument http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/mcn2000.nsf...95?opendocument http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?sectio...12&archive=true http://www.usmc.mil/magazine/304/FeatureHowitzer.pdf http://www.usmc.mil/magazine/304/OverThere.pdf 220210[/snapback] Thanks for the links but a lot of that stuff isn't exactly worthy of front page news. Some artillery guys win a competition to be the fastest firing howitzer over there and I am sure some people find that pretty interesting but the general public isn't really very interested in something like that. I don't think there is a liberal media conspiracy to hide the truth of unit v. unit competition results. The nature of the beast is that a car bomb killing a bunch of Iraqi police or US soldiers or civilians or some combination thereof is going to get headlines while briefly detaining 14 "suspected" insurgents, confiscating some weapons, cell phones and cash and unit competition results are hardly going to be noticed. Look, I want things to go well over there. I want the "insurgents" dead, our guys home and a peaceful, prosperous Iraq going strong. I don't care if that results in a Republican majority from now until the end of time. As bad as I want things to go well over there, I am not willing to just pretend they are and dismiss all news to the contrary as biased or incomplete. I appreciate those links but in my opinion they don't really shed any light on whether this war is being botched or not. A peaceful Iraq was one of our goals. Iraq is not peaceful. The interim grade is F or better, "incomplete". So far so bad but it isn't over yet. Plenty of time to get it turned around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BiB_ Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 So you come back and that is your only input. 220724[/snapback] Yup. Thought about it some more, and decided that trying to discuss the short term vs long term strategic goals at the interface of homeland defense and the global war on terror, and where Iraq fits into that, probably wouldn't bear much fruit. For example, it might be hard to get across the point that a short term strategic goal just might be to create conditions by which it is difficult if not impossible for the transnational terrorist to execute an attack plan within the United States, and how this might be occurring right now. How a longer term strategic goal is to completely upset the balance in the middle east and east asia-as that is the only practical way, and first step, to modify the current status quo of the region's socio-political situation in the long term. It doesn't fit the enlightened emotionalism and basis of expertise of this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted January 27, 2005 Author Share Posted January 27, 2005 Yup. Thought about it some more, and decided that trying to discuss the short term vs long term strategic goals at the interface of homeland defense and the global war on terror, and where Iraq fits into that, probably wouldn't bear much fruit. For example, it might be hard to get across the point that a short term strategic goal just might be to create conditions by which it is difficult if not impossible for the transnational terrorist to execute an attack plan within the United States, and how this might be occurring right now. How a longer term strategic goal is to completely upset the balance in the middle east and east asia-as that is the only practical way, and first step, to modify the current status quo of the region's socio-political situation in the long term. It doesn't fit the enlightened emotionalism and basis of expertise of this board. 220931[/snapback] The problem is. Most people have watched far too many movies and see situation popup, the fight and the end result all in a 2 hour time frame. If it lasts longer then that and they can't see their "heroes" in the next action flick next year, they lose interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 Yup. Thought about it some more, and decided that trying to discuss the short term vs long term strategic goals at the interface of homeland defense and the global war on terror, and where Iraq fits into that, probably wouldn't bear much fruit. For example, it might be hard to get across the point that a short term strategic goal just might be to create conditions by which it is difficult if not impossible for the transnational terrorist to execute an attack plan within the United States, and how this might be occurring right now. How a longer term strategic goal is to completely upset the balance in the middle east and east asia-as that is the only practical way, and first step, to modify the current status quo of the region's socio-political situation in the long term. It doesn't fit the enlightened emotionalism and basis of expertise of this board. 220931[/snapback] Um.....uh.......um......BUSH LIED!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Yup. Thought about it some more, and decided that trying to discuss the short term vs long term strategic goals at the interface of homeland defense and the global war on terror, and where Iraq fits into that, probably wouldn't bear much fruit. For example, it might be hard to get across the point that a short term strategic goal just might be to create conditions by which it is difficult if not impossible for the transnational terrorist to execute an attack plan within the United States, and how this might be occurring right now. How a longer term strategic goal is to completely upset the balance in the middle east and east asia-as that is the only practical way, and first step, to modify the current status quo of the region's socio-political situation in the long term. It doesn't fit the enlightened emotionalism and basis of expertise of this board. 220931[/snapback] Quagmire? Anyone? Quagmire? How about exit strategy? No mention of exit strategy. Let's see, what is another soundbite I can toss in here...Ooooh This is another Vietnam!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Quagmire? Anyone? Quagmire? How about exit strategy? No mention of exit strategy. Let's see, what is another soundbite I can toss in here...Ooooh This is another Vietnam!!!! 221031[/snapback] Where’s your compassion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Where’s your compassion. 221043[/snapback] At the business end of my rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Quagmire? Anyone? Quagmire? How about exit strategy? No mention of exit strategy. Let's see, what is another soundbite I can toss in here...Ooooh This is another Vietnam!!!! 221031[/snapback] Though honestly, an exit strategy is necessary. If you don't have a clear idea of how to wind up a situation, you're really going into it without a clear mission and goals. Note, though, that I said it's necessary. I didn't say we don't have one. At worst, I'd say I haven't yet heard one clearly expressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Though honestly, an exit strategy is necessary. If you don't have a clear idea of how to wind up a situation, you're really going into it without a clear mission and goals. Note, though, that I said it's necessary. I didn't say we don't have one. At worst, I'd say I haven't yet heard one clearly expressed. 221092[/snapback] I’m sure they have lots of hypotheticals, but there’s no way they’re going to get released to the media or the public, for fear of complete and utter embarrassment when it doesn’t go according to plan. Ala……… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 At the business end of my rifle. 221050[/snapback] Rifle is nice, but if its personal, I’d prefer my blade. That would be compassion,no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Rifle is nice, but if its personal, I’d prefer my blade. That would be compassion,no? 221119[/snapback] Yeah, you could hold them closely as they bled out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerjamhead Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Rifle is nice, but if its personal, I’d prefer my blade. That would be compassion,no? 221119[/snapback] Dude, two consecutive posts within 35 min of eachother? Get a life man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Dude, two consecutive posts within 35 min of eachother? Get a life man. 221143[/snapback] Yeah, you're right. I should have been watching Jail cam instead of reading this book I got. Sorry. Thanks for tracking me, dog. Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BiB_ Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 Yeah, you're right. I should have been watching Jail cam instead of reading this book I got. Sorry. Thanks for tracking me, dog. Dick 221149[/snapback] You can read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 You can read? 221169[/snapback] As long as half the book is pictures. Crayolas? I like Green, and blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 The best exit strategy: Win. Did we invade Normandy with an "exit strategy"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 The best exit strategy:Win. Did we invade Normandy with an "exit strategy"? 221191[/snapback] Exit France. Head for Berlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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