Orlando Buffalo Posted September 2 Posted September 2 9 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I’m not reading where this boy tried to kick in the door, just that he and his friends rang the doorbell and took off. Assuming that’s accurate, what an insane thing for a person to do—-shoot at a group of people running away from the house after an admittedly aggravating stunt. I did read about the doors being kicked in…and wonder for the 50th time about the stupidity of some of these tik tok trends. That’s a good way to get killed. I have students who did the tik tok trend since school started and got themselves a visit from the cops due to the cameras at the house. I will stand corrected if it is not the case but the odds are that is the situation.
Andy1 Posted September 2 Posted September 2 Too many gun owners are idiots. A kid shouldn’t be shot just because of a prank. In New York, a gun owner shot a girl who pulled into his driveway to turn around. When people buy the gun, they don’t expect that they may end up in prison because of their poor judgement using that gun. 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 2 Posted September 2 17 minutes ago, Andy1 said: Too many gun owners are idiots. A kid shouldn’t be shot just because of a prank. In New York, a gun owner shot a girl who pulled into his driveway to turn around. When people buy the gun, they don’t expect that they may end up in prison because of their poor judgement using that gun. Absolutely agree. That story was absolutely nuts. However, as Orlando pointed out, some of these “challenges” include kicking in doors as part of the stunt. There’s a major difference between a kid ringing a doorbell 15 times and running, and violently attempting to gain access to someone else’s home. In those cases, I’d think the number of people choosing to defend themselves with a firearm is roughly the same number as those with access to a firearm.
Andy1 Posted September 2 Posted September 2 32 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Absolutely agree. That story was absolutely nuts. However, as Orlando pointed out, some of these “challenges” include kicking in doors as part of the stunt. There’s a major difference between a kid ringing a doorbell 15 times and running, and violently attempting to gain access to someone else’s home. In those cases, I’d think the number of people choosing to defend themselves with a firearm is roughly the same number as those with access to a firearm. Yes. The stupidity of social media stunts is infinite. Those two pranks have totally different implications for the stupid boys who do them. It reminds me of an incident several years ago, where an off-duty cop was sleeping in his motel room. Someone tried to enter the room. He shot the person. When he turned on the lights he realized that he had killed his own son. Guns require the judgement of the gun owner to be perfect, all the time, otherwise tragedies can happen.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 2 Posted September 2 3 hours ago, Andy1 said: Yes. The stupidity of social media stunts is infinite. Those two pranks have totally different implications for the stupid boys who do them. It reminds me of an incident several years ago, where an off-duty cop was sleeping in his motel room. Someone tried to enter the room. He shot the person. When he turned on the lights he realized that he had killed his own son. Guns require the judgement of the gun owner to be perfect, all the time, otherwise tragedies can happen. Tragic story. Are you advocating for confiscation of all guns to avoid the scenario above? I’m not sure how you stamp out gross negligence or unfortunate outcomes from the process, any more than a negligent parent who has an accident with a motor vehicle with tragic outcomes for family members.
B-Man Posted September 2 Posted September 2 How special can you get? Governor Walz announced this morning that he will call a special session of the legislature to address “gun violence” with the usual Democrat nonsolutions, including an “assault weapons” ban. I don’t believe that there is such a thing as an “assault weapon,” but Democrats will insist there is. Would such a ban have done anything to prevent Robin Westman’s shooting spree at Annunciation Church in Minneapolis last week? It’s probably wrongthink to ask the question, but I doubt it. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2025/09/how-special-can-you-get.php
Andy1 Posted September 2 Posted September 2 3 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Tragic story. Are you advocating for confiscation of all guns to avoid the scenario above? I’m not sure how you stamp out gross negligence or unfortunate outcomes from the process, any more than a negligent parent who has an accident with a motor vehicle with tragic outcomes for family members. I hear the cars analogy before. Most people depend on cars to work and live. Guns are different. I’m not an advocate for confiscation. I am an advocate for public education about the dangers of firearms and buy back programs to destroy them. Safe storage laws, background checks etc… It’s pretty simple - guns kill. The more guns there are, the more opportunities for tragedies. Now, I will admit that I live in a relatively community. People who legitimately feel threatened may have different calculus. But for most people, to buy a gun just because you can is inviting the opportunity for something really bad to happen to you or someone you love.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 2 Posted September 2 1 hour ago, Andy1 said: I hear the cars analogy before. Most people depend on cars to work and live. Guns are different. I’m not an advocate for confiscation. I am an advocate for public education about the dangers of firearms and buy back programs to destroy them. Safe storage laws, background checks etc… It’s pretty simple - guns kill. The more guns there are, the more opportunities for tragedies. Now, I will admit that I live in a relatively community. People who legitimately feel threatened may have different calculus. But for most people, to buy a gun just because you can is inviting the opportunity for something really bad to happen to you or someone you love. Yup, and I'm not making the comparison to cars to draw you into a debate about confiscating cars. I am, however, willing to contemplate where we draw the line societally on when possible tragic outcomes are the offshoot of negligent actions of individuals. I don't know the math, but I'd bet a significant portion of serious accidents and fatalities stem from young drivers acting recklessly. If we cede the need for those working folk to have a a vehicle, what about the young who decide they want a car, or they get a car back/forth to school when there is transportation freely available and provided by the school? What about the elderly, no longer working, skills diminished, more dangerous than just a few years back? @Joe Ferguson forever surely has seen a decline in his fine motor skills after years of cheap scotch poured from expensive bottles at the country club. And what about mean blonde (or formerly blonde) girls like @ComradeKayAdams ....notoriously bad drivers while doing their textin, their makeup, their jibjab with their gals on the phone about the latest nylons and such? 1
Andy1 Posted September 2 Posted September 2 11 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Yup, and I'm not making the comparison to cars to draw you into a debate about confiscating cars. I am, however, willing to contemplate where we draw the line societally on when possible tragic outcomes are the offshoot of negligent actions of individuals. I don't know the math, but I'd bet a significant portion of serious accidents and fatalities stem from young drivers acting recklessly. If we cede the need for those working folk to have a a vehicle, what about the young who decide they want a car, or they get a car back/forth to school when there is transportation freely available and provided by the school? What about the elderly, no longer working, skills diminished, more dangerous than just a few years back? @Joe Ferguson forever surely has seen a decline in his fine motor skills after years of cheap scotch poured from expensive bottles at the country club. And what about mean blonde (or formerly blonde) girls like @ComradeKayAdams ....notoriously bad drivers while doing their textin, their makeup, their jibjab with their gals on the phone about the latest nylons and such? At least for driving they require testing of vision and your license may be revoked depending on changes in your health status. There are required training programs to take and testing to qualify to drive. Not so with the right to pack. Any suggestions on approaches you would support to reduce the plague of gun deaths in America?
4th&long Posted September 2 Posted September 2 11 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said: I have students who did the tik tok trend since school started and got themselves a visit from the cops due to the cameras at the house. I will stand corrected if it is not the case but the odds are that is the situation. We'll wait for it to be reported as you say. No one reported that after doing a Google search. No one reported that he kicked in the door. Always lies. 9 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Absolutely agree. That story was absolutely nuts. However, as Orlando pointed out, some of these “challenges” include kicking in doors as part of the stunt. There’s a major difference between a kid ringing a doorbell 15 times and running, and violently attempting to gain access to someone else’s home. In those cases, I’d think the number of people choosing to defend themselves with a firearm is roughly the same number as those with access to a firearm. Shooting an 11 year old kid in the back as he's running away is not self defense! Are you that much of a coward? You have to shoot a boy running away? Thank God you guys are just a couple dumb asses on the internet who think you know everything.
4th&long Posted September 2 Posted September 2 And the guy was charged with murder so you quee rs who ***** with your guns can pipe down.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 2 Posted September 2 27 minutes ago, 4th&long said: Shooting an 11 year old kid in the back as he's running away is not self defense! Are you that much of a coward? You have to shoot a boy running away? Thank God you guys are just a couple dumb asses on the internet who think you know everything. Good Lord, Tough Guy Slim is under the influence again. Read for understanding, not for some springboard to insult someone on a message board because of whatever trauma in your life brought you to this point. The only coward here is you. The 11 year old is the victim, it's a horrible story, and while I think you have some obscure insecurity complex that causes you to lash out behind the protection of a keyboard, we're on the same page here. Take the guy who shot this poor child--who was doing something I did many times as a youngster--and lock him away for ever. I no longer believe in the death penalty, but if I had to make an exception, this would be a front runner. Now--stop for second, take a deep breath, shut your mouth and open your ears for the second part that may have confused you. There is a tik tok challenge where the action is not ringing doorbells, it involves kicking in the door at the house. My point on that was that it is a wholly different activity, completely reckless, foolish and the potential for a tragic outcome seems quite high to me. I am not a gun owner, have no desire to own a gun, so I'm not shooting anyone regardless. However, I can see where a person in fear of a robbery, or in fear of an intruder, or protecting his wife and children might well use a weapon in that scenario. We all know you wouldn't--you would demand a screen name so you could send a harshly worded memo anonymously like it was 1958. What a d-bag. 1
4th&long Posted September 2 Posted September 2 35 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Good Lord, Tough Guy Slim is under the influence again. Read for understanding, not for some springboard to insult someone on a message board because of whatever trauma in your life brought you to this point. The only coward here is you. The 11 year old is the victim, it's a horrible story, and while I think you have some obscure insecurity complex that causes you to lash out behind the protection of a keyboard, we're on the same page here. Take the guy who shot this poor child--who was doing something I did many times as a youngster--and lock him away for ever. I no longer believe in the death penalty, but if I had to make an exception, this would be a front runner. Now--stop for second, take a deep breath, shut your mouth and open your ears for the second part that may have confused you. There is a tik tok challenge where the action is not ringing doorbells, it involves kicking in the door at the house. My point on that was that it is a wholly different activity, completely reckless, foolish and the potential for a tragic outcome seems quite high to me. I am not a gun owner, have no desire to own a gun, so I'm not shooting anyone regardless. However, I can see where a person in fear of a robbery, or in fear of an intruder, or protecting his wife and children might well use a weapon in that scenario. We all know you wouldn't--you would demand a screen name so you could send a harshly worded memo anonymously like it was 1958. What a d-bag. I see the truth hurts you. That's fine, it should. Let's shoot first and ask questions later. Got to get your gun off. You support that stuff, that's what you voted for. Great country we live in.
Wolfgang Posted September 2 Posted September 2 43 minutes ago, 4th&long said: I see the truth hurts you. That's fine, it should. Let's shoot first and ask questions later. Got to get your gun off. You support that stuff, that's what you voted for. Great country we live in. It's a wonderful country... Gets better every day...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 3 Posted September 3 42 minutes ago, 4th&long said: I see the truth hurts you. That's fine, it should. Let's shoot first and ask questions later. Got to get your gun off. You support that stuff, that's what you voted for. Great country we live in. Your attempt to leverage the death of a child for an endorphin rush is about as pathetic as it gets. Have you no boundaries at all? Be that as it may, it’s possible you’re not a complete sociopath off the board and I’ll say a prayer for you to find some sense of inner peace. 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted September 3 Posted September 3 Speaking of just the 11 year old In Texas, since the reports all state he did not try and kick in the door, then the shooting is not justified. An annoyance like that does not justify shooting him.
4th&long Posted September 3 Posted September 3 30 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Your attempt to leverage the death of a child for an endorphin rush is about as pathetic as it gets. Have you no boundaries at all? Be that as it may, it’s possible you’re not a complete sociopath off the board and I’ll say a prayer for you to find some sense of inner peace. Whatever you say len. No one is smarter than you.
4th&long Posted September 3 Posted September 3 https://missouriindependent.com/briefs/american-kids-are-less-likely-to-reach-adulthood-than-foreign-peers/
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted September 3 Posted September 3 11 hours ago, 4th&long said: Whatever you say len. No one is smarter than you. Deflection, a classic sign of insecurity. 1 1
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