IBM now has more employees in India than USA

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http://nypost.com/2013/10/05/ibm-now-employs-more-workers-in-india-than-us/

[Nanker]

From the cited linked article:

Dr. Ron Hira, who is director of public policy at the Rochester Institute of Technology and studies American outsourcing, dismisses talk of bringing the jobs back to America.

“President Obama has talked a lot about outsourcing but has done literally nothing about it,” he said.

That's because he's a clueless ideologue imprinted with socialist class-warfare doctrine for his entire life and sees large corporations as giant ATM machines that can be hustled for cash and provide convenient campaign-stop photo ops and ten second sound bites. Trouble is, he knows nothing about the economy or how corporations make their money (he knows how they "work" - give them tax breaks and subsidies, get glad-hand photos, get cash campaign contributions, get out of town). The giant corporations are on their heels. The hay day of the American industrial empire has ended. The only hope for improving the economy and creating good paying jobs is through the engine of small business. He doesn't understand this. He ***** on them and the American worker while eating quiche and sipping champagne and slurping oysters on the half shell.

[Maury Ballstein]

Well lets all just buy apple then !

 

 

Oh never mind.

[Nanker]

The notorious far right radical Steve Jobs told B.O. That "those jobs won't be coming back to America", when the prez asked him about repatriating Apple's manufacturing after a lengthy tour and discussion of Apple's business model. "He just doesn't get it" he said later.

 

Obama is a dope. He's an incompetent buffoon.

[Tiberius]

The notorious far right radical Steve Jobs told B.O. That "those jobs won't be coming back to America", when the prez asked him about repatriating Apple's manufacturing after a lengthy tour and discussion of Apple's business model. "He just doesn't get it" he said later.

 

Obama is a dope. He's an incompetent buffoon.

 

This is Obama's fault???

[ExiledInIllinois]

The notorious far right radical Steve Jobs told B.O. That "those jobs won't be coming back to America", when the prez asked him about repatriating Apple's manufacturing after a lengthy tour and discussion of Apple's business model. "He just doesn't get it" he said later.

 

Obama is a dope. He's an incompetent buffoon.

 

Then what's the "game plan?" As soon as something gets too expensive in the US, it gets farmed out to somewhere where it is cheaper. What's the end game to a sustainable jobs model. And don't give me the hooey about innovation. Everything eventually finds a cheap place to do business. The US just can't be the "project managers" of the world. There has to be a sustaainable jobs model for the masses. What may that be?

Edited October 7, 2013 by ExiledInIllinois

[Gary M]

Then what's the "game plan?" As soon as something gets too expensive in the US, it gets farmed out to somewhere where it is cheaper. What's the end game to a sustainable jobs model. And don't give me the hooey about innovation. Everything eventually finds a cheap place to do business. The US just can't be the "project managers" of the world. There has to be a sustaainable jobs model for the masses. What may that be?

 

Either bring our wages down or bring the cheaper wages up.

[Chef Jim]

This is Obama's fault???

 

Who's blaming him?

 

There has to be a sustaainable jobs model for the masses. What may that be?

 

Hand out shovels for all those shovel ready jobs.

[Nanker]

 

 

This is Obama's fault???

It's his fault he's a stupid buffoon. Well, I'll give him some slack. It's his parents fault he's such a grupping buffoon. But that doesn't change the fact that he's a clueless idiot when it comes to the economy. He has no plan. He'll, he hasn't even submitted a budget during his entire time in office. He thinks money grows on trees and he could give two ***** about the Average American. He's living the high life while the sends his goons out to make the people suffer as much as possible. Such a caring, thoughtful leader who is so concerned about the "little guy". What a fraud his is.

 

He has no plan because he doesn't know how business makes money. He's a financially illiterate cretin, crippled by his lack of insight into finance and the economy.

[ExiledInIllinois]

 

 

Either bring our wages down or bring the cheaper wages up.

 

If our wages go down, will the price of beer? NFL game/Sunday ticket?

 

Cheaper wages up. What is the end in a 100 years. Who gets exploited when the globe is tapped out?

[....lybob]

This isn't a bug it's a feature of neo-liberal economics, and outsourcing hasn't been merely allowed it has be incentivized by tax and trade policy - does anyone not realize that neo-liberal economics is about the rise of the multinational corporations and the fall of the power of the nation-state , that a rough equalization of labor costs between the developed world and developing world is one of their goals..........which is great if you're in China and you're income has increased from $1200 to $2400 but kinda sucks if you're in the US and you've loss your $80,000 job and if you are lucky you'll get a job that pays half that in the same field, unlucky and you are doing warm body work with the high-school drop-outs or siting home wondering how long you can hold on to the house.

 

Oh and tech jobs have been moving to India for a long time now, I had a friend who was a "software engineer" for a bank and the Indianization of his IT dept probably started 15 years ago but at least he had a nice ten year run or so of good yearly raises and retention bonuses before it happened and he managed to hold on to his job for 12 years after it started even if his workplace changed from happy and optimistic to bitter and paranoid.

 

Our government is run by the people who pay the campaign bills and that is large corporations which are mostly multinational and don't give flying !@#$ about anything not related to their bottom line and the only time you got a chance to influence policy is when there is a split in corporate policy (If say the Financial community lines up on one side of an issue and say Big oil and the Military Industrial complex lines up on the other side) then popular opinion can sway the argument but if the corporate interest is in lock step then public opinion be damned.

 

But while our corporate overlords and their government lackeys don't give a damn about the average American they do like to use American economic and military power as a cudgel to keep other countries in line and as the average America consumer loses buying power the American market is diminished and that whip-hand which is threat of exclusion from that market is diminished. So while these multinational CEOs don't care about us they care quite a bit about not being able to write the regulations and in case of trade disputes being locked out of rapidly growing markets into shrinking markets but they really don't know what to do about it (it's a lot easier to give away the store than to buy it back). Expect a panicked return to nationalism by these globalist pricks in the next 5-10 years as they do the math ( America's middle-class decimated = American no longer the predominate country= the world economy no longer running on our agenda) there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth at this point.

[Azalin]

Everything eventually finds a cheap place to do business.

that's absolutely correct, especially with regard to unskilled labor, such as working an assembly line or call-in customer support. those jobs that have moved overseas aren't coming back, and more will continue to leave the US as long as foreign labor markets remain inexpensive.

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

Then what's the "game plan?" As soon as something gets too expensive over-regulated and over-taxed in the US, it gets farmed out to somewhere where it is cheaper.there is less regulation and less taxes. What's the end game to a sustainable jobs model. And don't give me the hooey about innovation. Everything eventually finds a cheap place to do business. The US just can't be the "project managers" of the world. There has to be a sustainable jobs model for the masses. What may that be?

 

Fixed.

[ExiledInIllinois]

 

that's absolutely correct, especially with regard to unskilled labor, such as working an assembly line or call-in customer support. those jobs that have moved overseas aren't coming back, and more will continue to leave the US as long as foreign labor markets remain inexpensive.

 

That is understandable. What happens with the masses? It is just impossible to have a nation with all skilled labor.

[Azalin]

That is understandable. What happens with the masses? It is just impossible to have a nation with all skilled labor.

and thus we have McDonald's, Burger King, landscaping, retail sales, etc. as long as you approach it intelligently, it's much easier nowadays to become skilled and get a start in a decent career than it's been at other times in the past. I used to be a cook with only a high school diploma and I went to tech school when I was 32 because I was sick of not earning a decent living. there were guaranteed student loans available (of which I am a big proponent), so I took advantage of them, working full time and going to school full time at night. it was hard work, but unless you're born into a wealthy family, it's going to require hard work to succeed no matter what you do.

[Chef Jim]

and thus we have McDonald's, Burger King, landscaping, retail sales, etc. as long as you approach it intelligently, it's much easier nowadays to become skilled and get a start in a decent career than it's been at other times in the past. I used to be a cook with only a high school diploma and I went to tech school when I was 32 because I was sick of not earning a decent living. there were guaranteed student loans available (of which I am a big proponent), so I took advantage of them, working full time and going to school full time at night. it was hard work, but unless you're born into a wealthy family, it's going to require hard work to succeed no matter what you do.

 

Or do what I did. Get a hair cut, shave, dress well, learn how to speak proper English and how to interview well and once you get the job work your ass off and learn the ropes. I did that and in 8 years I was a VP of a company making more money than I ever dreamed with essentially a high school diploma

[Azalin]

Or do what I did. Get a hair cut, shave, dress well, learn how to speak proper English and how to interview well and once you get the job work your ass off and learn the ropes. I did that and in 8 years I was a VP of a company making more money than I ever dreamed with essentially a high school diploma

you sound like one of those same weirdos that I was who actually liked reading books and learning things.

[KD in CA]

Then what's the "game plan?" As soon as something gets too expensive in the US, it gets farmed out to somewhere where it is cheaper. What's the end game to a sustainable jobs model. And don't give me the hooey about innovation. Everything eventually finds a cheap place to do business. The US just can't be the "project managers" of the world. There has to be a sustaainable jobs model for the masses. What may that be?

Stop driving up the cost of producing things in the US via organized crime labor unions.

 

I used to be a cook with only a high school diploma and I went to tech school when I was 32 because I was sick of not earning a decent living. there were guaranteed student loans available (of which I am a big proponent), so I took advantage of them, working full time and going to school full time at night. it was hard work, but unless you're born into a wealthy family, it's going to require hard work to succeed no matter what you do.

You left out the part about being victimized by the culture of debt that you were forced to endure to get your degree, and how overwhelmed you felt making a monthly loan payment.

[Azalin]

You left out the part about being victimized by the culture of debt that you were forced to endure to get your degree, and how overwhelmed you felt making a monthly loan payment.

I was apparently blind to how badly I was being victimized. at the time, it just seemed like hard work that anyone was capable of doing.

[Nanker]

I was apparently blind to how badly I was being victimized. at the time, it just seemed like hard work that anyone was capable of doing.

Fer cripes sakes man. Get a grip and get in touch with your inner victimhood. You'll never amount to much in the eyes of the media and government if you don't.