4merper4mer Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 In alphabetical order: Edwards, Fitzpatrick, Losman (not including Holcomb because he was never considered a serious starter). I rank them: 1) Edwards: smart in the sense of not a lot of dumb mistakes, pretty good arm I think (not sure since he didn't throw deep very often); weakness seemed to be declining confidence and lack of leadership ability. 2) Losman: had the physical tools, but mentally just was not there to be a real winner at this level. 3) Fitzpatrick: academically smart which didn't always translate on the field (can be erratic), and worst arm of the three (strength and accuracy). But tough as nails, would hang in there and take the big hit if it meant getting it to the best option. Also uncanny knack for drawing out talent of unheralded receivers like Stevie Johnson and Chandler. 1. Glove wearing Mary from Los Gatos. 2. Squirrel in the headlights 3. Human Chia pet. I would rank them Fitz, JP, Mary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 You'd still have an inaccurate thrower though. Agreed. Accuracy was not one of Losman's strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I still think Fitz is a sold backup QB. Can't say I feel the same about Edwards nor Losman: 1. Fitz 2. Losman 3. Edwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FleaMoulds80 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I honestly think we could've done well with Losman but we handled the situation wrong. He had the tools to be good but needed to be eased into the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 agree on losman. i think that was just about the worst way you could possibly handle a young qb. idk if it ever would have ever all come together for him, but i do know he had virutally no chance to succeed the way he came into the league and how awful everything was around him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted March 10, 2013 Author Share Posted March 10, 2013 (edited) This thread is insulting to the intelligence of anyone who considers themself a football fan. Prior to 2010, the Buffalo Bills did not have an actual, legitimate NFL offense since 2004. They could not move the football like a real NFL team. They could do two things: dump the ball off to running backs and throw bombs to Lee Evans. Period, end of story. The 15-yard out pattern and even the 10-yard slant were off the table. Enter Ryan Fitzpatrick. They instantly became a middle-of-the-road NFL offense. I would even go so far as to give more of the credit to Chan Gailey on that one. But they did not have a plethora of weapons by any stretch. And yet they could go toe to toe with the Ravens in Baltimore. They could put up 31 at New England. Stevie Johnson, a 7th round pick, became a perennial 1,000 yard receiver. Hell, the first 7 games of 2012 alone is a slam dunk for Fitzpatrick over Losman/Edwards. Beating the Pats? Putting up 41 at KC? The comeback against Oakland? The wins and losses may appear similar but at least they had an offense that other teams had to game plan for. You can debate Losman/Edwards all day long. Personally I'd give the edge to Losman because I liked the guy and he had a decent '06 season. But it really doesn't matter. Bottom line, if you don't recognize the sizemic gap between Fitzpatrick and Losman/Edwards then either a) you have forgotten how truly miserable 2005-2009 was to watch as a Bills fan, b) you are trolling or c) (most likely) you don't know anything about football. Seeing as though you have Manti Te'o as your avatar, I'm leaning c. None of them proved to be capable NFL starters. Which seriously weakens your contention there was some massive difference between Fitz and the others. They're all lumped into the "had enough starts and couldn't get it done" category. Edited March 10, 2013 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I honestly think we could've done well with Losman but we handled the situation wrong. He had the tools to be good but needed to be eased into the system. I strongly disagree. Like many other first round busts, Losman had great physical tools, but had never established himself as a pocket passer at the college level. Going into the draft, he was universally described as "raw," which translated meant that he hadn't shown great proficiency for reading college defenses, or touch and accuracy when throwing the ball. If he couldn't do those things in college, why would someone believe he could do them in the NFL? Steve Young started his career in a bad situation in Tampa. No offensive line, little offensive talent generally. His situation was worse than Losman's, because Young was asked to start as a rookie; whereas Losman was given his rookie year to sit and learn on the bench. Once Young was moved to a better situation, he led his team to a championship. Granted, Losman led his team to a championship too--but that was with the Las Vegas Locomotives. If Losman really had half the talent and potential that you and some others on these boards think he has, he'd be on an NFL roster. And someone would be grooming him to start. Losman is a textbook example of what not to do when drafting a first round QB. 99 times out of 100, it's a mistake to take the guy with the shiny physical tools, who's never shown good accuracy or a decent grasp of the mental side of the game. Teams should err on the side of taking the guy who's a little more physically limited, but who makes up for that with great accuracy and great mental abilities. Joe Montana lasted until the third round, largely because of his lack of arm strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 None of them proved to be capable NFL starters. Which seriously weakens your contention there was some massive difference between Fitz and the others. They're all lumped into the "had enough starts and couldn't get it done" category. Geez Joe.....every time I even slightly disagree with you over something.....and never done in an insulting manner.....you attack & attempt to belittle me. Yet when metzelaars_lives disagrees, attacks and outright insults you("This thread is insulting to the intelligence of anyone who considers themself a football fan....or c) (most likely) you don't know anything about football. Seeing as though you have Manti Te'o as your avatar, I'm leaning c.").....you maintain a well polished civility. Quite frankly I am disappointed......I was hoping to see some fireworks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Shi** y, Shi**ier, Shi**iest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Losman was the biggest let down. Great arm...no brains. Wish we could merge Fitz's head and attitude with JP's arm and accuracy. What if you added the chroise of Hamdan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Fitz JP CAptain Checkdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 What if you added the chroise of Hamdan? Championship! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 None of them proved to be capable NFL starters. Which seriously weakens your contention there was some massive difference between Fitz and the others. They're all lumped into the "had enough starts and couldn't get it done" category. 1. I have a tendency to write condescending emails after drinking. I drank during the Canisius-Iona game yesterday, the Griffs lost and I was bitter. Sorry. 2. I forgot to mention the stats. Fitzpatrick put up actual, legit NFL statistics while playing for the Bills, something that neither of those two never even sniffed (again, Losman had a DECENT 2006 but still not close to what Fitz has done). 3. I do not want Ryan Fitzpatrick starting for the Bills next season. And he won't. He's going to get cut tomorrow. You heard it here. That being said, to suggest that there cannot be varying degrees of guys who ultimately can't get it done is ridiculous. I maybe would've changed the tone of my post but I stand by it. It's pretty insane not to think that Fitz did not have a better stint as Bills QB than those other two jabronis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 FWIW, NFL Career starts: Fitz 65 Trent 33 JP 33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 FWIW, NFL Career starts: Fitz 65 Trent 33 JP 33 Fitz was way better. That's how bad they have all been... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Fitz was way better. That's how bad they have all been... Agree that Fitz is the best of a bad lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Agree that Fitz is the best of a bad lot. Agreed. I'd rank them in the following order: 1. Fitz. (Below-average starter) 2. Trent (Currently a backup) 3. Losman (Out of the league) Everyone points to Losman's 2006 season. But statistically, Edwards' 2008 season was slightly better. One could point out that Edwards' success in 2008 was non-sustainable. He relied too much on one thing (the check-down), making that offense too easy to defend once defensive coordinators figured it out. But exactly the same things could be said about Losman's season in 2006. Except instead of the check-down, Losman's one trick was the long bomb to Lee Evans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Exactly right. ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted March 11, 2013 Author Share Posted March 11, 2013 (edited) 1. I have a tendency to write condescending emails after drinking. I drank during the Canisius-Iona game yesterday, the Griffs lost and I was bitter. Sorry. 2. I forgot to mention the stats. Fitzpatrick put up actual, legit NFL statistics while playing for the Bills, something that neither of those two never even sniffed (again, Losman had a DECENT 2006 but still not close to what Fitz has done). 3. I do not want Ryan Fitzpatrick starting for the Bills next season. And he won't. He's going to get cut tomorrow. You heard it here. That being said, to suggest that there cannot be varying degrees of guys who ultimately can't get it done is ridiculous. I maybe would've changed the tone of my post but I stand by it. It's pretty insane not to think that Fitz did not have a better stint as Bills QB than those other two jabronis. There can be varying degrees of "guys who ultimately can't get it done", thats the basis of this thread. It was your contention of a "sizemic gap between Fitzpatrick and Losman/Edwards" I take issue with. if youre talking sizemic gap between Fitz and another QB in the NFL, it would be a guy better than him like a Brady or Brees Edited March 11, 2013 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted March 11, 2013 Share Posted March 11, 2013 Shi** y, Shi**ier, Shi**iest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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