CosmicBills Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 "We've systematically removed God from our schools. Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage?" Mike Huckabee Seriously. Go !@#$ yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 "We've systematically removed God from our schools. Should we be so surprised that schools would become a place of carnage?" Mike Huckabee Seriously. Go !@#$ yourself. Yeah I've seen that quote all over FB. Annoying as hell. Oops Reminds me of that Simpsons episode where Ned is the principal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 Yeah I've seen that quote all over FB. Annoying as hell. Oops Reminds me of that Simpsons episode where Ned is the principal For a minister, and a man I used to respect, he's managed to offend anyone who believes in God and atheists all in one quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) For a minister, and a man I used to respect, he's managed to offend anyone who believes in God and atheists all in one quote. As I said in the other thread, everyone is trying to find a reason. Sometimes there isn't one. What Huckabee said is probably the dumbest statement outside of arming teachers. Edited December 19, 2012 by meazza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) As I said in the other thread, everyone is trying to find a reason. Sometimes there isn't one. Truth. Edit: wait, did I start a repeat thread? If so, apologies, I've been gone for a week or so. Edited December 19, 2012 by tgreg99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) Christian theology dictates that God is all loving and all powerful. Using even a modicum of logic, statements like these directly contrast with the most basic tenets of Christianity. Going by Huckabee's (and others') words, either... 1) God is omnipotent, but remains vengeful. That is, he kills children out of spite. 2) God is loving, but ultimately toothless. His power ceases to exist because we decided to "remove" him from schools. Edited December 19, 2012 by SageAgainstTheMachine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACor58 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) As I said in the other thread, everyone is trying to find a reason. Sometimes there isn't one. What Huckabee said is probably the dumbest statement outside of arming teachers. You summed it up right there. However, I don't think his intent was dumb, but the message will not resonate with everyone, only those that believe in a higher power. Replace God with "humility, compassion, or love". Some members of society seem to be de-sensitized to the value of human life. Be it violent movies, violent video games, texting, twitter, etc., the emotional connections are have become sterile. Edited December 19, 2012 by ACor58 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 You summed it up right there. However, I don't think his intent was dumb, but the message will not resonate with everyone, only those that believe in a higher power. Replace God with "humility, compassion, or love". Some members of society seem to be de-sensitized to the value of human life. Be it violent movies, violent video games, texting, twitter, etc., the emotional connections are have become sterile. That's a cop out. I believe in a higher power but it's the ultimate in man's arrogance to assume that we could ever "remove God" from ANYTHING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 As I said in the other thread, everyone is trying to find a reason. Sometimes there isn't one. What Huckabee said is probably the dumbest statement outside of arming teachers. Yup, that is by far the dumbest suggestion yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I suppose it's good to know that it's no longer the fault of guns, but rather is the fault of God. /facepalm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Yup, that is by far the dumbest suggestion yet. I had some pretty !@#$ed up teachers in high school. I don't think I'd have liked going to a school knowing they were packing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 I suppose it's good to know that it's no longer the fault of guns, but rather is the fault of God. /facepalm Not God, but our legislation of keeping church and state separate. It's our fault because we follow the constitution and God hates the constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACor58 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) That's a cop out. I believe in a higher power but it's the ultimate in man's arrogance to assume that we could ever "remove God" from ANYTHING. So do I - but I guess I was not offended by his statement, perhaps I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. What cannot be understated is that society, as a whole, has changed for the worse. Do you know that we have averaged a mass shooting every 4 months since 2005. Think about that for a second. Everyone is looking for answers - some think the answer is more religion, some think the answer is more government, and I will be the first to tell you that I have no answers. One thing is certain - the toothpaste is out of the bottle and its not going back in. Edited December 19, 2012 by ACor58 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Not God, but our legislation of keeping church and state separate. It's our fault because we follow the constitution and God hates the constitution. Another argument for another thread, but you're wrong about the Constitution here in the broader sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 I had some pretty !@#$ed up teachers in high school. I don't think I'd have liked going to a school knowing they were packing. Agreed. Not to mention your average elementary school teacher is probably a 27 year old girl who weighs 110 pounds and has never held a gun in her life. But we're going to 'train' her so that at a moment's notice and under extreme fear for her life, she'll be able to access her firearm from the locked cabinet at the same time she's trying to herd 20 terrified six year olds into the closet, load the weapon and then outshoot the guy with the AR-15. Solid plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 Another argument for another thread, but you're wrong about the Constitution here in the broader sense. No I am not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 No I am not. You absolutely are. Start the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 You absolutely are. Start the thread. We're in it. Huckabee's statements, depending on how you wish to interpret absolute idiocy, points the fingers at we the people who have removed God from schools. The people did no such thing. Religion has ZERO place in government. The founding fathers, the overwhelming majority of whom were NOT practicing Christians but instead Diests (if not out right atheists) feared religion's reach into government. Read Jefferson or Madison's works, then come back and talk about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 We're in it. Huckabee's statements, depending on how you wish to interpret absolute idiocy, points the fingers at we the people who have removed God from schools. The people did no such thing. Religion has ZERO place in government. The founding fathers, the overwhelming majority of whom were NOT practicing Christians but instead Diests (if not out right atheists) feared religion's reach into government. Read Jefferson or Madison's works, then come back and talk about it. Wrong. http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_reli.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 Wrong. http://www.usconstit...sttop_reli.html Re-read the article. It supports exactly what I'm saying. Also, read through the enlightenment philosophies that shaped the men who created the constitution. The enlightenment was a direct rebuttal to the religious tyranny that savaged Europe for generations and stunted scientific and social development. To argue that the Founding Fathers were anything other than fearful of a religious state (be it Christian or otherwise) wielding power over the people is a fundamental perversion of history if not an outright misunderstanding of the principles which our republic was built upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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