Chef Jim Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 The statements are where all the dirt gets swept under the rug. Usually Statement 7 contains fraud. But page two shows you how much taxes where paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 This. I'm not rich or wealthy yet just middle class Someday I want to be very well off and I'm trying to WORK my way there. I'm not jealous of others success but rather want to join them. That is what makes America. You should not be penalized and discouraged from hardwork and success. There it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldTraveller Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 There it is. What is it that you are pointing out? Im not following Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 What is it that you are pointing out? Im not following Chef and Kool Aid pointed out the fundamental difference between both extremes on the right and left: "I'm not rich yet but one day I will be." The extreme right believes everyone gets what they deserve -- so if you work hard enough you'll eventually join the "rich" club. The extreme left believes that notion is a mirage and that the system is rigged to prevent equal opportunity for success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldTraveller Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 (edited) Why is that "extreme"? You mean, if you plan on getting rich as a result of your hard work, that's "extreme"? Edited September 6, 2012 by WorldTraveller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Why is that "extreme"? You mean, if you plan on getting rich as a result of your hard work, that's "extreme"? No. The extreme belief is that all it takes is hard work. Work hard and no matter what soon enough you'll be rich -- and if you don't get rich it's because you didn't work hard enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Why is that "extreme"? You mean, if you plan on getting rich as a result of your hard work, that's "extreme"? He's a writer. So...yes, it probably is. HOWEVER...for every person who says "I'm going to work hard and be rich," I'm guessing maybe one in a thousand succeed. For every person that says "I'm not going to work hard and be rich," I'd bet that number is substantially lower. And I don't know a single rich person who didn't work their ass off to get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 The extreme left believes that notion is a mirage and that the system is rigged to prevent equal opportunity for success. I would argue that the left believes lack of equality of outcome is hard evidence of a lack of equality of opportunity. This silliness is compounded by a wrongheaded view of wealth as static, meaning that if one man has become richer another must have become poorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 He's a writer. So...yes, it probably is. HOWEVER...for every person who says "I'm going to work hard and be rich," I'm guessing maybe one in a thousand succeed. For every person that says "I'm not going to work hard and be rich," I'd bet that number is substantially lower. And I don't know a single rich person who didn't work their ass off to get there. This is why I'm lost in terms of a political affiliation. I am a firm believer in what you're saying which eliminates 90% of the democratic economic policies for me. And that 90% is a 100% accurate and scientifically derived percentage and in no way bull **** figures I'm just throwing around. I would argue that the left believes lack of equality of outcome is hard evidence of a lack of equality of opportunity. This silliness is compounded by a wrongheaded view of wealth as static, meaning that if one man has become richer another must have become poorer. Truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 No. The extreme belief is that all it takes is hard work. Work hard and no matter what soon enough you'll be rich -- and if you don't get rich it's because you didn't work hard enough. Could you please point out where I said it takes hard work, let alone all it takes is hard work? I'll wait. Hard work is one of about a dozen things it takes to become wealthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Could you please point out where I said it takes hard work, let alone all it takes is hard work? I'll wait. Hard work is one of about a dozen things it takes to become wealthy. I never said you believed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Could you please point out where I said it takes hard work, let alone all it takes is hard work? I'll wait. Hard work is one of about a dozen things it takes to become wealthy. Hard work, opportunity, and a ten-man crew (including two Jethros, a Boesky, a Miss Daisy, and a Jim Brown). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Many on the left use "the system is rigged against you" as a justification for being lazy and sponging-off of society. The problem is that mentality breeds more of the same, as family and/or friends see them getting something for nothing, and wondering how they can get theirs. After a sufficient amount of time, you have more people not working than working, and the whole thing collapses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 I never said you believed that. You said I pointed out the difference between the extremes. So assume I somehow pointed out the extreme right believes it only takes hard work. So did I miss your point or did you fail to make a good one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Many on the left use "the system is rigged against you" as a justification for being lazy and sponging-off of society. The problem is that mentality breeds more of the same, as family and/or friends see them getting something for nothing, and wondering how they can get theirs. After a sufficient amount of time, you have more people not working than working, and the whole thing collapses. But in their defense, you have to remember that for no small segment of the population, the system WAS really rigged against them, and opportunity - and success - was something that was granted to them by the government. We just happen to see the generation that grew up within that context coming into power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Many on the left use "the system is rigged against you" as a justification for being lazy and sponging-off of society. The problem is that mentality breeds more of the same, as family and/or friends see them getting something for nothing, and wondering how they can get theirs. After a sufficient amount of time, you have more people not working than working, and the whole thing collapses. This is a nearly perfect explaination of the "Tipping Point" theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 But in their defense, you have to remember that for no small segment of the population, the system WAS really rigged against them, and opportunity - and success - was something that was granted to them by the government. We just happen to see the generation that grew up within that context coming into power. Oh, I can accept that the system was rigged against them. But to continue to perpetuate the idea that the system is still totally rigged and that they can only count on the gubment to improve their situation is doing a disservice to their people AND the US as a whole. And if people are waiting for the time when the system is no longer rigged at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggieScooby Posted September 7, 2012 Author Share Posted September 7, 2012 The difference between successful liberals and conservatives is this; a conservative never admits weakness, and a liberal never admits they made it on their own. Conservatives tend to be narcists and Liberals tend to be humble. A conservative who doesn't make it "rich" will always blame government or a union, a liberal will blame himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 The difference between successful liberals and conservatives is this; a conservative never admits weakness, and a liberal never admits they made it on their own. Conservatives tend to be narcists and Liberals tend to be humble. A conservative who doesn't make it "rich" will always blame government or a union, a liberal will blame himself. You've got a bunch of **** backward there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 The difference between successful liberals and conservatives is this; a conservative never admits weakness, and a liberal never admits they made it on their own. Conservatives tend to be narcists and Liberals tend to be humble. A conservative who doesn't make it "rich" will always blame government or a union, a liberal will blame himself. Okay, I've been wondering what it would take to make Biden's speech sound sane. Congratulations. You did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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