Philly McButterpants Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 I don't have to do what a cop says, just because he tells me to. Never have, never will. Funny, I have never been tossed against my car by a cop either. Question authority at all times. The George Carlin school . . . Not saying you're wrong, just sayin' the cop should not have been fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted August 22, 2012 Author Share Posted August 22, 2012 so put her back in her car so she can drive off? Put her back in her car so that he can continue his investigation of what happened. A drunk person is far more safer seated, in a car, than standing/staggering on the side of the roadway. Also, if you, or anyone else gets pulled over and immediately gets out of their car it sends a big warning flag up for the officer. It is a major officer safety no-no. From my experiences, when involved in a traffic stop and the person rapidly exits their car without being told to do so usually caused the officer I was with to pull his gun. The reasons given were simply because the officer doesn't know who he/she was dealing with. When I went through the police academy we saw several "dash cams" that showed officers approaching cars on "simple" traffic stops only to have the driver, or passenger get out and start fighting with, or worst case shooting at the officer. Also, you are right in one aspect. If an officer asks to search your belongings, car, or home you can say no. I always found it amusing the amount of people, when asked, would usually say something to the effect of "sure, I've got nothing to hide" then SURPRISE the officer finds drugs in the car or on their person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 I'll say this I think it perfect that Yahoo put it under Entertainment. I can be entertained over and over again watching him slam her to the car after she says "whateverrrrrrr...." I hate that type of attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 I'll say this I think it perfect that Yahoo put it under Entertainment. I can be entertained over and over again watching him slam her to the car after she says "whateverrrrrrr...." I hate that type of attitude. I enjoy it as well. It means one less criminal with a badge on the streets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 I enjoy it as well. It means one less criminal with a badge on the streets. What's with the piss poor attitude regarding cops? And sounds like you've had a few run ins with them as well. What's up with that? Once again I'm of the opinion you disrespect the police don't come crying when you get face planted on your car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 What's with the piss poor attitude regarding cops? And sounds like you've had a few run ins with them as well. What's up with that? Once again I'm of the opinion you disrespect the police don't come crying when you get face planted on your car. I have a piss poor attitude towards anyone who abuses their power. You don't get to slam someone's face into a car because of disrespect. That makes you no better than the criminal you are trying to arrest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Getting slammed into a car after being arrested for drunk driving is one thing. How about getting shot in the chest for being in your own back yard? http://www.infowars.com/california-woman-shot-in-her-own-backyard-by-a-cop/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 When I was a kid, we'd get shot for jaywalking.... and we liked it. I have a piss poor attitude towards anyone who abuses their power. You don't get to slam someone's face into a car because of disrespect. That makes you no better than the criminal you are trying to arrest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 It's interesting to me how these conversations go. People take sides seemingly based on the premise that the story needs a good guy and bad guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Security wanted to search my bag heading into a music festival (this was long before they started doing this to everyone) and they weren't checking anyone else's, so I said no. Well there was a cop standing close by and then he came over and he wanted to check and I also said no. The security says no check, no entry, so I said fine I'm not coming in. The cop proceeded to follow me and continue to ask to look in the bag. I kept saying no, none of your business what's in the bag. He was pissed, but too bad for him. His partner came over and basically said forget it. I have also been pulled over for a broken headlight and asked if it was ok to have a look in my car......um NO, it's not ok. Spoke to the cops through the locked screen door while hosting a party and they were there on a noise complaint (many years ago). They said they were going to come in and have a look around, I said not unless you have a warrant. I can come out for you to give me the ticket.... I'm not saying to never listen to the police, but you don't have to do something just because they tell you to. You have rights. Several years ago I was buying wine at Kroger but my 19 yr old gf was with me & they carded both of us and refused to sell to me. I sent her out to the car, walked back to the wine section, went to a register at the other end, and bought my bottle. The store cop saw me walking out with a bag after seeing me get shot down at the first register and followed me out asking to see what was in the bag. I thought he was trying to make me bring the bottle back so I politely told him to piss off. After a few minutes of negotiating (for lack of a better word) I realized this guy didn't give a **** if my gf had ID, he thought I stole the bottle. I showed him the receipt, he checked it over, and told me to have a good night. Of course if I'd tried to drive off he could have detained me under suspicion of shoplifting. But by assessing the situation I realized that rather than being an over-zealous !@#$ he was just a guy doing his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadCap Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 @Bug - of course you don't always have to do exactly what a cop says at all times. My point is that it is better to try and diffuse a situation where you might get your ass kicked by the police by listening, rather than acting a fool and escalating the matter. In cases where all you have to do is sit and be quiet, I'll take that over going to jail on principle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clippers of Nfl Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 http://news.yahoo.co...topstories.html I don't know, it seemed a little excessive to me to fire the cop for this. He told her multiple times to get back in her car. She was OBVIOUSLY danger to herself and others, and highly intoxicated. Now she's the victim? I guess I'm calloused. So far what I have been reading, this will not be a popular opinion either. I'm glad that stupid cop got sent to jail and lost his job. No man should ever beat a woman like that. She was in the wrong for driving under the influence. Damage was already done. Why hurt her? I'm not being funny like most of my posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PushthePile Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Tough call. I dont think the video looks very good for the officer but I have never tried to detain a piss drunk beligerent moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clippers of Nfl Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 There is no such thing ass excessive force to someone that drunk behind the wheel of a car. Dude should have beaten the **** out of her. That's what the system is for. Not the stupid cop. I have a piss poor attitude towards anyone who abuses their power. You don't get to slam someone's face into a car because of disrespect. That makes you no better than the criminal you are trying to arrest. I never thought I would have anything in common with a bug. Jk I would not have liked it on a man. But on a woman??? Stupid cop should know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 Security wanted to search my bag heading into a music festival (this was long before they started doing this to everyone) and they weren't checking anyone else's, so I said no. Well there was a cop standing close by and then he came over and he wanted to check and I also said no. The security says no check, no entry, so I said fine I'm not coming in. The cop proceeded to follow me and continue to ask to look in the bag. I kept saying no, none of your business what's in the bag. He was pissed, but too bad for him. His partner came over and basically said forget it. I have also been pulled over for a broken headlight and asked if it was ok to have a look in my car......um NO, it's not ok. Spoke to the cops through the locked screen door while hosting a party and they were there on a noise complaint (many years ago). They said they were going to come in and have a look around, I said not unless you have a warrant. I can come out for you to give me the ticket.... I'm not saying to never listen to the police, but you don't have to do something just because they tell you to. To each his own but if you have nothing to hide who cares what they search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICanSleepWhenI'mDead Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I don't have to do what a cop says, just because he tells me to. Never have, never will. Funny, I have never been tossed against my car by a cop either. Security wanted to search my bag heading into a music festival (this was long before they started doing this to everyone) and they weren't checking anyone else's, so I said no. Well there was a cop standing close by and then he came over and he wanted to check and I also said no. The security says no check, no entry, so I said fine I'm not coming in. The cop proceeded to follow me and continue to ask to look in the bag. I kept saying no, none of your business what's in the bag. He was pissed, but too bad for him. His partner came over and basically said forget it. I have also been pulled over for a broken headlight and asked if it was ok to have a look in my car......um NO, it's not ok. Spoke to the cops through the locked screen door while hosting a party and they were there on a noise complaint (many years ago). They said they were going to come in and have a look around, I said not unless you have a warrant. I can come out for you to give me the ticket.... I'm not saying to never listen to the police, but you don't have to do something just because they tell you to. You have rights. So in all 3 examples, the cops never actually told you to do anything: 1. Cop repeatedly asks to look in your bag; 2. Cop asks if it is OK to look in your car; 3. Cop tells you what the cop is planning to do and changes his mind when you mention the need for a warrant - - but at least the way you described it, the cop never actually instructed you to do anything. I certainly agree that you are never required to give a cop permission to do anything, because you indeed do have rights. And you are also right that an amazingly large number of people stupidly give cops permission to search when they would be within their rights to refuse. But spare me the bravado of saying: "I don't have to do what a cop says, just because he tells me to. Never have, never will." at least until you've refused to do something that a cop actually instructed (as opposed to asked) you to do. Here's what your tale justifies you to say: "I don't have to allow a cop to do what the cop wants to do, just because the cop asks me for permission to do it. Never have, never will." Not the same thing as refusing to do what a cop tells you to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 (edited) So in all 3 examples, the cops never actually told you to do anything: 1. Cop repeatedly asks to look in your bag; 2. Cop asks if it is OK to look in your car; 3. Cop tells you what the cop is planning to do and changes his mind when you mention the need for a warrant - - but at least the way you described it, the cop never actually instructed you to do anything. I certainly agree that you are never required to give a cop permission to do anything, because you indeed do have rights. And you are also right that an amazingly large number of people stupidly give cops permission to search when they would be within their rights to refuse. But spare me the bravado of saying: "I don't have to do what a cop says, just because he tells me to. Never have, never will." at least until you've refused to do something that a cop actually instructed (as opposed to asked) you to do. Here's what your tale justifies you to say: "I don't have to allow a cop to do what the cop wants to do, just because the cop asks me for permission to do it. Never have, never will." Not the same thing as refusing to do what a cop tells you to do. Um, Open your bag.....open your door. Yeah sorry I didn't quote the guys word for word. They know how to phrase it, so you think you have to let them. Edited August 23, 2012 by thebug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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