3rdnlng Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Retarded argument. Both sides of the aisle are pro-choice...they all want to make sure they're making the choice for other people. Ask any gay couple who wants to get married, or anyone who makes "too much" money. Not exactly. I happen to be a conservative with some libertarian leanings. I happen to be personally against abortion but claim it is a woman's choice. I happen to be against gun control, but don't think operative AK-47's should be allowed to the general public. I think the gay marriage thing is a canard. Let 'em have a civil union. Marriage is more of a religious thing. It's not like they can't both work and get their own health insurance. Most likely one of them isn't staying home with their offspring. Federal government should consern themselves with a much more limited function than what they are attempting. (and doing) Federal Government: National defense Interstate commerce Limited laws regulating such things as fair housing. They need to get tfo energy and education and follow the f'n constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Not exactly. I happen to be a conservative with some libertarian leanings. I happen to be personally against abortion but claim it is a woman's choice. I happen to be against gun control, but don't think operative AK-47's should be allowed to the general public. I think the gay marriage thing is a canard. Let 'em have a civil union. Marriage is more of a religious thing. It's not like they can't both work and get their own health insurance. Most likely one of them isn't staying home with their offspring. Federal government should consern themselves with a much more limited function than what they are attempting. (and doing) Federal Government: National defense Interstate commerce Limited laws regulating such things as fair housing. They need to get tfo energy and education and follow the f'n constitution. According to them that one covers just about everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 According to them that one covers just about everything. Why are we killing ourselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/02/news/economy/obama_tax_rich_jesus/index.htm?hpt=hp_c1 Looks like liberals now use the Bible to tackle tax reform. Time to rethink that litmus test, among other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 So what does the Bible say about taxes? Not too much. The Bible is silent on whether capital gains should be taxed at 15% or a higher rate. Ditto for other types of investment income. Payroll tax holidays are not mentioned. When Jesus multiplied the fishs, would that be income or capital gains? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 I happen to be against gun control, but don't think operative AK-47's should be allowed to the general public. There are virtuly no true full auto AK-47s in the public hands. Semi-auto copies called Ak-47s, but not real AK-47s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfatbillsfan Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/02/news/economy/obama_tax_rich_jesus/index.htm?hpt=hp_c1 Looks like liberals now use the Bible to tackle tax reform. Time to rethink that litmus test, among other things. You have to admit he has a point on the bible thumpers. It's all relative to interpretation though. Letting the tax cuts expire if fine but not at this point in time. However, I'd like to also see a drop in the corporate tax rate along with the raise in taxes on personal income for the rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/02/news/economy/obama_tax_rich_jesus/index.htm?hpt=hp_c1 Looks like liberals now use the Bible to tackle tax reform. Time to rethink that litmus test, among other things. Last I checked, Jesus' entire philosophy was based on humility and generosity, and he never advocated taking anything that belonged to someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfatbillsfan Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Last I checked, Jesus' entire philosophy was based on humility and generosity, and he never advocated taking anything that belonged to someone else. Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's... Is he telling us to pay our taxes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 (edited) Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's... Is he telling us to pay our taxes? That is the common misinterpretation.....................One which shows that Jesus is still trapping Pharisees today. It is not pro-taxation.......................in fact, just the opposite. The Pharisees laid a trap for Jesus similar to the question: "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" They were certain that they could trap Jesus into affirming that either: it was lawful to pay tribute to "Caesar", which they knew to be against God's Law, and thereby condemning Him under God's Law to pay tribute to a heathen government [Caesar], thereby condemning Him under "Caesar's" "law" Jesus would not tax anyone. Jesus would ask the rich to give freely, of their own heart, for the purpose of glorifying God. Edited February 3, 2012 by B-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's... Is he telling us to pay our taxes? No...the complete phrase is "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and render unto God what is God's." Basically, advocating the separation of church and state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's... Is he telling us to pay our taxes? Absolutely. Much in the same way that "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" means government-run health care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted February 3, 2012 Author Share Posted February 3, 2012 No...the complete phrase is "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and render unto God what is God's." Basically, advocating the separation of church and state. and thus charity (especially to ones church) should not be considered an alternative to paying taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Absolutely. Much in the same way that "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" means government-run health care. Hey now, the gubment knows better than you do how you should seek happiness while living life with liberty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 and thus charity (especially to ones church) should not be considered an alternative to paying taxes. Nor should collected taxes be used for charity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfatbillsfan Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 No...the complete phrase is "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, and render unto God what is God's." Basically, advocating the separation of church and state. This is the way I've always looked at this statement. I think the idea he was really trying to get across was more along the lines of it doesn't matter who the government is. Just live your life according to Gods law. Keep your political views separate. That is the common misinterpretation.....................One which shows that Jesus is still trapping Pharisees today. It is not pro-taxation.......................in fact, just the opposite. Jesus would not tax anyone. Jesus would ask the rich to give freely, of their own heart, for the purpose of glorifying God. Not you, nor anyone else in the world has a mandate from God to tell us how God feels about taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 and thus charity (especially to ones church) should not be considered an alternative to paying taxes. I disagree strongly with that interpretation...but for reasons I can't quite express yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted February 3, 2012 Author Share Posted February 3, 2012 Nor should collected taxes be used for charity. i don't see where this or any other biblical qoutation implies restrictions on a governments use of taxes. taxes were being used for the continued repression of jews and many other peoples and the answer given supported their continued payment. is it likely that he meant to specifically not pay taxes if they were to be used for charity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 I disagree strongly with that interpretation...but for reasons I can't quite express yet. Did Tom just say he's speechless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 This is the way I've always looked at this statement. I think the idea he was really trying to get across was more along the lines of it doesn't matter who the government is. Just live your life according to Gods law. Keep your political views separate. Not you, nor anyone else in the world has a mandate from God to tell us how God feels about taxes. Your God or my God? My God is a God of vengeance. My God is an indian that turns into a wolf when he's mad, and he's paid less taxes than Willie Nelson. I'd appreciate it if you and Obama keep your God out of my wallet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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