Pirate Angel Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Before last season I was hoping Edwards or Brohm would step up and take the starting position and be the QB of the future. I like many didn't think much of Fitzy. I really was impressed with his play last year but saw the untimely INT from him. I was totally fine with him starting this year and drafting the QB of the future next year after filling many holes mainly on defense. With the Bills off to a 2-0 start they are getting a lot of press. I knew he played for the Rams and Bengals but didn't know much about his stats because I didn't care really thinking he was a career backup much like our current backup Thigpen. His first game in the NFL with a large comeback. All the articles I'm reading now with all his comebacks during college while remaining calm. Gailey runs a complex offense which puts a lot of decisions on the QB to make quick reads. Fitz with his Jimmy Neutron brain seems to be really grasping it. He is probably the best QB Gailey has had to work with to be the perfect fit for his offense. I'm including Aikman in this list. I think Gailey finally has his star pupil and has finally opened up his play book. When is the last time you've been able to say that the Bills out coached another team? Hell we lost the first SB by being out coached in my opinion. IMHO Anyway I just have been thinking that Gailey has made bad QB's look good, but now he has a QB with the brains to run his offense and now they can make each other look good. I think he is good enough to give us a wild card playoff birth, i feel as if his occasional erratic throws and gambling may cost us against tougher playoff defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 (edited) No fitz is not. Doesn't have a strong arm, has average mobility and could be a little taller/stockier. As much as I keep looking for an angle tto counter his hype, Andrew luck is the only "perfect" QB to come along since maybe elway. But even at this stage theres no Comparison, luck is better Edited September 25, 2011 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 No fitz is not. Doesn't have a strong arm, has average mobility and could be a little taller/stockier. As much as I keep looking for an angle tto counter his hype, Andrew luck is the only "perfect" QB to come along since maybe elway. I disagree, we don't know if Luck can even develop into an NFL QB yet, he is 100% hype Fitzscreamy otoh is well versed in reading NFL defenses, finding the open receiver in under 3 seconds and making the plays needed to win games. Right now Fitz is making a crap O line much better then it really is because he gets the ball out so quickly, sorta Payton-esq. There were tons of posts in the off season stating Fitz would never be a top QB. I must have made over 100 posts refuting those claims. Just by watching what he did against the Bengals-Steelers-Ravens last year showed me that he learned how to beat those defenses while he was the back up and part time starter for the Bengals. If this team needs something right now its a QB that can learn how to beat Rex Ryan's & Bill Belichik's defensive schemes, and judging by what Fitzscreamy did last season, I think he can! This team still has many other needs and problems to be corrected besides a new QB to develop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 No fitz is not. Doesn't have a strong arm, has average mobility and could be a little taller/stockier. Perhaps you missed the "...for Gailey's offense" part of the thread title. That, and Fitz is actually better than average in terms of mobility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 No fitz is not. Doesn't have a strong arm, has average mobility and could be a little taller/stockier. As much as I keep looking for an angle tto counter his hype, Andrew luck is the only "perfect" QB to come along since maybe elway. But even at this stage theres no Comparison, luck is better We are well on our way out of the Andrew Luck sweepstakes...and could possibly be looking at taking yet another DB in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 We are well on our way out of the Andrew Luck sweepstakes...and could possibly be looking at taking yet another DB in the first round. Perhaps. Personally, depending on how things end up, I can see us going for either an Offensive Tackle or an Outside Linebacker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 We are well on our way out of the Andrew Luck sweepstakes...and could possibly be looking at taking yet another DB in the first round. Not saying we aren't, just saying fitz isn't perfect. And to others, if you think bills wouldn't trade fitz right now for Luck's draft rights, WAKE UP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 I've often said, if the coaches were reveresed for that game we win. Even the other three while the other team did have the better team with better stronger coaching we may have won one of them too. The first game against the Giants we had the better team but were out coached (don't forget too that one of those coaches was BB himself). That was why we only had 19 minutes of possession. That being said, I also think that Levy was the right type of coach to get us back to four straight. A more intense type of coach would have easily burnt out the team. I agree that if that 47 yard fg is scored being out coached is never brought up. I also think that the Bills had superior talent to the Giants and it probably shouldn't have been that close. If memory serves me the Bills had the ball for just over 19 minutes. Also to reply to another post. I know in mobile version this site doesn't show the second line. I wrote is he the perfect QB in Chan Gailey's offense. To make this offense work the QB must be mobile and make quick decisions. Fitz fits that bill. Fitz is a gunslinger even if he doesn't want to have a label. He will throw the ball in to tight coverage and let his receiver make the play. Did you see that td pass to Chandler? I think the ball skimmed the front of the defenders jersey. With that type of qb you are going to get some picks. I'm ok with that as I think he will win more games than lose with that style of play. I hate to beat a dead horse but Trent wouldn't make plays because he was afraid of making mistakes. 4th down with the game running out and he runs out of bounds. Throw it up in the air and take a chance. People talk about "it". To me "it" means that competitive desire to win and do what ever it takes to accomplish that. While Fitz is not the most gifted athlete he has "it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 50 on the Wonderlich dude...50.......yeah it's nice to have a "gunslinger" with brains. As to the 50 on the wonderlic score, you are horribly mistaken. The only player to have a confirmed perfect score was another harvard alumni, wr/p for the bengals Pat McInally, Fitzpatrick himself admitted to leaving atleast one answer blank so the best he could do is 49, but the Wall Street Journal published a report that he scored a 48, but his actual official score is unknown. As of now, it is, by general consensus that the WSJ article was correct in stating that he scored a 48. On the other hand, he did complete the test in a record 9 minutes So someone posting that Fitz scored a 50 on the wonderlic (when the best he could have scored is a 49) is "horribly mistaken?" I'm gonna have to stop posting here if we've raised the bar that high on inaccuracies and I hope your kids are doing great in school… like perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Doesn't have a strong arm, has average mobility and could be a little taller/stockier. I strongly disagree. Average mobility? Haven't you seen him run, both upfield and out of trouble? Fitz's mobility masks line play which is often less than stellar. Seriously, he is far more mobile and even athletic than the average qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 I strongly disagree. Average mobility? Haven't you seen him run, both upfield and out of trouble? Fitz's mobility masks line play which is often less than stellar. Seriously, he is far more mobile and even athletic than the average qb. Yea, that guy must have missed the first Jets game last season, the one where Fitzscreamy was the leading rusher. Only Mike Vick had a slightly better YPC avg last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 (edited) I strongly disagree. Average mobility? Haven't you seen him run, both upfield and out of trouble? Fitz's mobility masks line play which is often less than stellar. Seriously, he is far more mobile and even athletic than the average qb. Well maybe a little above average but that's splitting hairs, my point is he's not someone who strikes fear in opposing defenses as a threat to take off and run, beat you with his legs, or known to actually thrive when the play breaks down. Versus the league on that criteria, +1 = he's better, 0 = about the same, -1 not as good. Sanchez -1 Brady 1 Henne 1 Flacco 1 Ben -1 McCoy -1 Dalton 0 Collins 1 Hasselback -1 Schaub 1 Gabbert 0 Orten 1 Campbell 1 Rivers 0 Cassell 1 Manning 1 Vick -1 Romo -1 Grossman 1 Newton -1 Ryan 1 Freeman 0 Brees -1 Mcnabb -1 Cutler -1 Rodgers -1 Stafford 0 Smith 0 Kolb -1 Jackson -1 Bradford -1 If I summed correctly hes -3 which is pretty much average. Change a half dozen names to positive and he's still pretty average. that's all I'm saying Edited September 25, 2011 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slackware Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 So someone posting that Fitz scored a 50 on the wonderlic (when the best he could have scored is a 49) is "horribly mistaken?" I'm gonna have to stop posting here if we've raised the bar that high on inaccuracies and I hope your kids are doing great in school… like perfect. Hey all im saying is that if your going to make such an impressive claim, such as a perfect score on the wonderlic, you better check your facts. Sorry im such a stickler on facts but i have spent my entire life studying and playing this game, (unfortunately, unless your brandon banks, being 5'11" and 150lbs doesnt get you too far past highschool football.) and studying the people who have coached and/or played, so when you make an inaccurate statement I WILL make it a point to call you on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Hey all im saying is that if your going to make such an impressive claim, such as a perfect score on the wonderlic, you better check your facts. Sorry im such a stickler on facts but i have spent my entire life studying and playing this game, (unfortunately, unless your brandon banks, being 5'11" and 150lbs doesnt get you too far past highschool football.) and studying the people who have coached and/or played, so when you make an inaccurate statement I WILL make it a point to call you on it. Well first of all I didn't make the comment and second of all, if you're gonna sharpshoot people that'll be your karma. My advice to you is to not take imprecision quite so seriously… btw, welcome to the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slackware Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 (edited) Also gotta point out that if the Bills management has any common sense, Ralph would have to die before they would trade fitz for the rights to Andrew Luck. What the heck is it with you folks and unproven rookies. Jake Locker was considered to be #1 pick worthy before his senior year, but he was taken 8th and rides the bench behind a garbage qb like matt hasselbeck. What is it that makes people think luck will be any different? Well first of all I didn't make the comment and second of all, if you're gonna sharpshoot people that'll be your karma. My advice to you is to not take imprecision quite so seriously… btw, welcome to the forum. That'll be my karma? what is that supposed to mean, exactly? Karma will work against me for seeking accuracy? All i was saying saying is the guy who said fitz scored 50 was very very wrong. What the heck is wrong with that? But thanks for the welcome. Kinda hate that when posting a second consecutive message in the same thread binds your two messages together. What if you want to adress multiple people at once? suppose thats what quotes are for but its no less annoying. Edited September 25, 2011 by Slackware Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 That'll be my karma? what is that supposed to mean, exactly? You seem like a smart person. I'm sure you'll figure it out. And yes, that feature of this forum is annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uforesircher Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 (edited) Well first of all I didn't make the comment and second of all, if you're gonna sharpshoot people that'll be your karma. Agreed. Most of us here are not perfect (and I am not perfect) - and therefore do not sharpshoot very much. When one like slackware does he/she does leave themself open for return fire. So let me be the first to point out that slackware's mistakes in grammar are numerous. Edited September 25, 2011 by uforesircher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slackware Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Agreed. Most of us here are not perfect (and I am not perfect) - and therefore do not sharpshoot very much. When one like slackware does he/she does leave themself open for return fire. So let me be the first to point out that slackware's mistakes in grammar are numerous. Most of my grammatical errors are intended. Most folks on message boards put little stock on spelling and grammar so why do I want to seem like a smartass? Of course it doesnt help that Im extremely lazy and, at this very moment, drunk as hell. But I dont sweat the grammar. Its not like im writing a term paper right now. Either way, sharpshooting is a term used by those who dont check their facts. You cant give me a statistic I dont already know, so I will try to refrain from busting people's balls but dont act like you know something that isnt true because, like I said, I wont hesitate to point it out. Dont be a poor sport, just check your facts and admit when your wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 (edited) 50 on the Wonderlich dude...50.......yeah it's nice to have a "gunslinger" with brains. I am not sure about perfect though. 2-0 feels like 8-0 right now. Marathon, not a sprint, right? 40 more hours, argggggggh! 48 dude, but in in record time (i think 9 minutes); either way, he's a savant. Always a good thing to have brain power at that position. Edited September 25, 2011 by CSBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 (edited) Well maybe a little above average but that's splitting hairs, my point is he's not someone who strikes fear in opposing defenses as a threat to take off and run, beat you with his legs, or known to actually thrive when the play breaks down. Versus the league on that criteria, +1 = he's better, 0 = about the same, -1 not as good. Sanchez -1 Brady 1 Henne 1 Flacco 1 Ben -1 McCoy -1 Dalton 0 Collins 1 Hasselback -1 Schaub 1 Gabbert 0 Orten 1 Campbell 1 Rivers 0 Cassell 1 Manning 1 Vick -1 Romo -1 Grossman 1 Newton -1 Ryan 1 Freeman 0 Brees -1 Mcnabb -1 Cutler -1 Rodgers -1 Stafford 0 Smith 0 Kolb -1 Jackson -1 Bradford -1 If I summed correctly hes -3 which is pretty much average. Change a half dozen names to positive and he's still pretty average. that's all I'm saying Why not just go to ESPN and look up the rushing stats for 2010... http://espn.go.com/n.../false/count/41 In 2010 Fitz was the 63rd overall rated rusher, just one spot ahead of New Orleans RB Pierre Thomas. at 40 attempts, 269 yards a 6.7 yards per rush / avg. To put that into perspective, the NYJets Brad Smith (now Bills wildcat QB) was 58th and had 38 attempts for 299 a 7.9 yards per rush / avg. - Mike Vick was 36th with 100 attempts and 676 yards, a 6.8 yard per carry avg. Fitzscreamy is definitely more of a pocket passer then Mike Vick and there is no doubt that he doesn't strike fear into defenses with his scrambling ability like Vick does. But there is also no doubt that the guy is pretty darn more elusive then most NFL QB's.He was better then Tim Tebow last year More perspective, Drew Brees was -0.2 Payton Manning was 1.0 Tom Brady was 1.0 which equates to 31 attempts at rushing and 30 yards rushed= 1.0 ypc avg Edited September 25, 2011 by Harvey lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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