Von Braun Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 You're right he's a legit top 10 pick You're right we aren't talking about him He's not worth the 3rd pick and it's so hard to trade down He probably won't be a bill Miller didn't look good? Wow...just wow. Worst post I've read in 2011. Youve the first I've heard say that today and I've been watching the NFL network for the last 16 hours. Just wow. Dareus was impressive, I can understand why so many pple on the board wanna draft him. But to say miller looked unimpressive is just baffling. Anyone else think Von miller was unimpressive in the combine? I think the thing everyone is missing about Von Miller is how well he plays with LEVERAGE. I have watched several games, all senior ball practices, All Star Skills challenge, and the combine. This kid dips at the hips well, is fairly fluid in and out of breaks (sticks his foot in the ground and bursts), and consistently gets under pad level in games. I will say however, having seen him a lot, there are times where he relies too much on the speed rush and just gets pushed up field. He has played in space some, but I do feel he will adapt to this with coaching. BUT, to get back to your point, I thought from the meat market combine perspective, he looked very impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOTONE Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 ...JJ Watt He was a legitimate top-10 pick coming into the Combine, and after this performance, I think he's worthy of a top 5 pick. He's big, strong, quick, versatile, very productive, and is a tremendous athlete. 6'6 290 lbs. 4.78 40 37" Vertical 10" Broad Jump 34 Reps 4.21 Shuttle 6.88 3 Cone Stats: 61 tackles, 20.5 TFLs, 7 sacks, 10 QB hurries, 7 PDs, 1 INT, 3 FFs, and 3 blocked kicks. He can play as a base 43 end, can move inside on obvious passing downs as an UT, and play as a 5-technique in a 3-4 scheme. He's faster than I thought, he's stronger than I thought, he uses his hands well, he loves the game, he is a great team mate, the guy's starting his own foundation for sick children, etc. Really can't find too many knocks on him. He is going to be a great pro, and the more I think about it, the more I would take him over a guy like Bowers, Fairley, or Cam Jordan. P.S. Bret Bielema said he had the biggest hand he ever seen and he uses them well. 11 1/8th, biggest recorded at the combine... Thanks Mrs. Watt. I don't mind the pick if Bowers is already gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyHorseAteTheKid Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 The dude is white. I've had enough of the Big Ten and Big 12 white guys on this team. How about we go here the talent is ... the SEC. [/quote Can we say Racist!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 (edited) hes a solid player, but if youre going to reach for a DE at 3, you really have to go with cameron jordan. ok, so i want cam at three, just not newton. if the bills address the D at 3, theres really no wrong answer. i would be happy with any of the following guys at 3; quinn, peterson, darues, fairley, quinn, miller, jordan. watt looks like a big reach at 3, but if we traded down with someone inside the top 10, i would sign up for him in 2 seconds. same with jordan. probably a reach at 3, especially if i can get dareus/fairley at that spot. ok, im not on the bowers bandwagon at all. just dont like him at all. He isn't going to be a DE, but a LB. Edited March 1, 2011 by Rockinon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonbrigade Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 Don't care what name or colored skin the dude is, just want someone to B word slap Tom Brady around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 ...JJ Watt 6'6 290 lbs. 4.78 40 37" Vertical 10" Broad Jump 34 Reps 4.21 Shuttle 6.88 3 Cone ... That 10 inch broad jump has me a bit concerned. Seriously though, I agree with you. Watt is a football player and will go fairly high in the draft. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Warner Posted March 1, 2011 Share Posted March 1, 2011 You're right he's a legit top 10 pick You're right we aren't talking about him He's not worth the 3rd pick and it's so hard to trade down He probably won't be a bill Miller didn't look good? Wow...just wow. Worst post I've read in 2011. Youve the first I've heard say that today and I've been watching the NFL networkfor the last 16 hours. Just wow. Dareus was impressive, I can understand why so many pple on the board wanna draft him. But to say miller looked unimpressive is just baffling. Anyone else think Von miller was unimpressive in the combine? You should read more posts then...it can't be the WORST! I like JJ Watt much better and I think Miller will underachieve as a pro. Shouldn't have compared him to Maybin because he will be better than that and I know he has more experience but I watched him closely the last half of the year and didn't like what I saw. First, he didn't hustle down plays, over pursued and got caught out of position a lot, didn't look great in pass coverage and didn't look stout against the run. He did rush the passer well. Keep in mind this is relative to being an early first round pick. And at the combine he ran a great time, can jump but look awkward on the movement drills. More awkward than half the LBs out there. For many of the awkward LBs they kept saying, well, he's an ILB but then what is Miller's excuse? I thought, when it came to Miller, no one was being objective and they were just hyping the guy no matter what because of some good measurables. Same with Newton for that matter. I don't think he'll be able to handle the pro game between the ears. Please find someone high on Newton or Gabbert and trade down for more picks. Please no Miller at #3 (or Fairley). I'd rather take Peterson or Darius if we have to stay where we are. Just my opinion on Miller. If he makes a pro bowl you can flame me then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 ...JJ Watt He's a beast. I wouldn't be sad if that's how they felt the talent evaluated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 You should read more posts then...it can't be the WORST! I like JJ Watt much better and I think Miller will underachieve as a pro. Shouldn't have compared him to Maybin because he will be better than that and I know he has more experience but I watched him closely the last half of the year and didn't like what I saw. First, he didn't hustle down plays, over pursued and got caught out of position a lot, didn't look great in pass coverage and didn't look stout against the run. He did rush the passer well. Keep in mind this is relative to being an early first round pick. And at the combine he ran a great time, can jump but look awkward on the movement drills. More awkward than half the LBs out there. For many of the awkward LBs they kept saying, well, he's an ILB but then what is Miller's excuse? I thought, when it came to Miller, no one was being objective and they were just hyping the guy no matter what because of some good measurables. Same with Newton for that matter. I don't think he'll be able to handle the pro game between the ears. Please find someone high on Newton or Gabbert and trade down for more picks. Please no Miller at #3 (or Fairley). I'd rather take Peterson or Darius if we have to stay where we are. Just my opinion on Miller. If he makes a pro bowl you can flame me then. I agree with you on this one Kurt. I did think he look very good in his combine workouts and his #s back that up, but that’s no surprise to me. He is a very athletic guy, but there is one glaring weakness in his game. It’s his lack of strength and ability to disengage when he is engaged with an OL. Go watch any video you can find of the guy. If he rushes the passer, and the OT is quick enough to get his hands on him, you can watch him being controlled like a rag doll. Well in the NFL all the LTs are quick – so now whats his plan? This is the same thing that has haunted Maybin – albeit Miller is better than Maybin – its still a glaring issue and should be a huge cause for concern. In the run game it’s the same thing, he is easily handled and moved out of the hole by whoever blocks him. He was abused in the run game vrs Texas the last two years, and Nebraska this year he was being pushed around by a small TE. At one point (I think this is in a youtube clip) he even resorts to turning his back to the RB and trying to spin out of a block as a last resort. Ok, so I realize most people don’t agrea with me about Miller pass rushing ability – but what about his run stopping ability? Surely you can’t be very impressed with that. If you are then the hype machine has truly taken over. Lets not forget we are picking THIRD IN THE DRAFT. Our pick SHOULDN’T HAVE A WEAKNESS vs. the run or the pass (assuming it’s a defensive player) Miller has a glaring weakness v the run, and a huge red flag in his pass rushing style coming into the NFL. I’ll just say it again – the team that takes Miller expecting a hard core pass rusher is going to be very disappointed. I feel Miller would be best used as a Will LB in a 4-3, were he would rarely have to take on blockers and could use his near-elite athleticism to track down ball carriers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 What was Watt's 10-yard split? That's more important than overall 40-time. Along with college production (I can accept that VJ, shuttle, and cone are important as well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted March 2, 2011 Share Posted March 2, 2011 I think a lot of us like Watt but not at #3 - and, unfortunately, he won't be there at #34. (But if he is, DO NOT get between Nix and the podium! ) I think we won't take a DE until the fourth round - Greg Romeus, a favorite of The 'Stache at Pitt. JMO. GO BILLSSS!!!! Fear The 'Stache!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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