stony Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Sherman would have even said this was going too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share Posted February 17, 2011 will be interesting to see how punishment for killing trees compares to killing dogs.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VirginiaMike Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I have no alliegience to any Alabama school so my response is not school devotion tainted. The person who did this deserves the most severe punsihment allowed by the law and if that isn't enough that they should be tied to this tree and let anyone who wants to give them a whack with a paddle. This was a terrible act for which there is NO excuse and something has been killed that took 130 years to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Sherman would have even said this was going too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 If anyone wants to know the story behind rolling Toomers Corners, Legend has it…. That years ago, teams used to take trains to away games (That part we know is true). But this game was different,. This game was Alabama-Auburn. Early one morning, the morning before Alabama was set to arrive in Auburn for their game that following day, one of Auburns fraternities, SAE, went out to the train tracks and greased down the rails a few miles in each direction of the train station. This caused the train to blow past the station until finally coming to a stop a good 5 miles outside of town. With no other option, the Alabama players were forced to walk in the sweltering mid-day heat, carrying all of their clothing and gear, back into town where their hotel was located, on Toomers Corners. After the shutout Auburn victory, members of SAE and other Tiger faithful “rolled” down the Toomers Corners, where the Alabama team was staying, to jest the beaten Crimson Tide…….. Correct me if I am wrong, that’s the story I always heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I'd love to hear your response if it was two 150-year old trees on your family property…trees which were the gathering place for family reunions and weddings…which added beauty to their surroundings, trees which had great sentimental value, which provided oxygen for everyone, homes for birds and squirrels, acorns to feed deer and squirrels and many other animals… It's not like he ran down a couple of saplings with his '73 Dodge…these were 150 year old oaks... And how many thousands of acres are clear-cut every day? Yeah, just checking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 And how many thousands of acres are clear-cut every day? Yeah, just checking. Who could argue with logic like yours? Just to get this straight because I'm trying to understand what you're saying…but it seems like you're saying that an intentional act of vandalism committed against a valued community symbol is irrelevant because logging is practiced elsewhere? Gotcha…and good luck to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akm0404 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 And how many thousands of acres are clear-cut every day? Yeah, just checking. No offense, but your logic is pretty dumb. If I steal the diamond out of your wife's engagement ring and pulverize it to bits, I'd think you'd have the right to be upset over the destruction of a sentimental and valuable piece of your property. But hey, they are using explosives in diamond mines every day, blowing up lots of other diamonds. Get over it, sap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagon Circler Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Who could argue with logic like yours? Just to get this straight because I'm trying to understand what you're saying…but it seems like you're saying that an intentional act of vandalism committed against a valued community symbol is irrelevant because logging is practiced elsewhere? Gotcha…and good luck to you. San jose, you are a G-D tree-hugger! LOL Don't worry, when we run out of oxygen, the trees will have the last laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 San jose, you are a G-D tree-hugger! LOL Don't worry, when we run out of oxygen, the trees will have the last laugh. LOL. That might seem like the case, but it's not. For ten years of my life, I was an arborist. I trimmed, pruned, sprayed, and injected trees as well as diagnosing diseases. I also removed (cut down) many trees and have the sap of thousands of trees on my hands. I never took the life of any tree lightly even though I understood that it was unavoidable sometimes. Many times did I have remorse for certain trees I cut down and I remember many of those individuals to this day. As for logging, I understand that we have to harvest natural resources to maintain our civilization although I'm always in favor of doing so more efficiently…that's why I love so many of the new engineered lumber products out there today. I work in construction which is by nature a consumptive industry but even in construction there are so many incredibly great innovations which help impact the earth less at the same time, providing more useable material. Am I a tree hugger? Not really. Are trees important? Yes, they sustain life on earth and add value in so many less fundamental ways. Is vandalism of others' property a bad thing? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 holy f theres some ignintcy in this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 No offense, but your logic is pretty dumb. If I steal the diamond out of your wife's engagement ring and pulverize it to bits, I'd think you'd have the right to be upset over the destruction of a sentimental and valuable piece of your property. But hey, they are using explosives in diamond mines every day, blowing up lots of other diamonds. Get over it, sap. They're TREES. Trees. I couls see if they killed a mascot, or a person. But TREES? Is vandalism of others' property a bad thing? Yes. This I'm on board with. But damn, some of these people are acting like it was people killed or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 (edited) They're TREES. Trees. I couls see if they killed a mascot, or a person. But TREES? This I'm on board with. But damn, some of these people are acting like it was people killed or something. Youre looking at this too literally and refusing to place any value on what those specific trees might mean to some people. It has little to do with what was actually destroyed, and more to do with the fact that something that has been alive and growing for 130 years, something that HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people held dear, sentimental, and sacred, was all destroyed because of one person's selfish, stupid actions. Doesnt matter if it were trees, an animal, a Brown Jug, whatever. It's the value that people placed on them through memories and tradition. If someone was able to break in and destroy the Declaration of Independence would you say "Meh, it was just a piece of paper. Why is everyone upset?"? Since it's just a piece of parchment, and the contents are well documented elsewhere? Not that hard to grasp. Edited February 17, 2011 by DrDankenstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 (edited) <br>The trees! The trees! Crimes against nature!!<br><br><img src="http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif" class="bbc_emoticon" alt=""> <br><br>While it was completely retarded for this clown to do something like that, let's not all wail and gnash teeth over the untimely death of a couple of trees.<br><br><br><br>I'd love to hear your response if it was two 150-year old trees on your family property…trees which were the gathering place for family reunions and weddings…which added beauty to their surroundings, trees which had great sentimental value, which provided oxygen for everyone, homes for birds and squirrels, acorns to feed deer and squirrels and many other animals…<br><br>It's not like he ran down a couple of saplings with his '73 Dodge…these were 150 year old oaks...<br><br><br><br>And how many thousands of acres are clear-cut every day?<br><br>Yeah, just checking.<br><br><img src="http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif" class="bbc_emoticon" alt=""><br><br><br><br>Who could argue with logic like yours?<br><br>Just to get this straight because I'm trying to understand what you're saying…but it seems like you're saying that an intentional act of vandalism committed against a valued community symbol is irrelevant because logging is practiced elsewhere?<br><br>Gotcha…and good luck to you.<br><br><br><br><br><br>No offense, but your logic is pretty dumb.<br><br>If I steal the diamond out of your wife's engagement ring and pulverize it to bits, I'd think you'd have the right to be upset over the destruction of a sentimental and valuable piece of your property.<br><br>But hey, they are using explosives in diamond mines every day, blowing up lots of other diamonds. Get over it, sap.<br><br><br><br>They're TREES. Trees.<br><br>I couls see if they killed a mascot, or a person. But TREES?<br><br>This I'm on board with. <b>But damn, some of these people are acting like it was people killed or something.</b><br><br>No one is "acting like it was people killed or something." That's a creation of your mind.<br><br>On the other hand, Joe, you're attitude is cavalier, indifferent, and flip. You continually suggest this is nothing.<br><br>No one here is treating this like a war crimes tribunal for human rights violations. No one is saying that he should be sent to the state pen for ten years.<br><br>On the other hand, this is a blatant act of vandalism committed by a 62-year old man. In purely monetary terms, the replacement value of those trees is astronomical. In truth, as former certified arborist, I can tell you that those trees are irreplaceable. Trees of that age and size cannot be replaced by equivalent specimens.<br><br>The only comment I can recall in this thread about what the sanction should be as that he should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law (governing such things). Virginia Mike said "<font color="#050C42"><font size="2">The person who did this deserves the most severe punsihment allowed by the law and if that isn't enough that they should be tied to this tree and let anyone who wants to give them a whack with a paddle.</font></font><font size="2">"</font><br><br>Not knowing what the law actually stipulates, in principal I would agree with this. <br><br> Edited February 17, 2011 by San Jose Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 (edited) If someone was able to break in and destroy the Declaration of Independence would you say "Meh, it was just a piece of paper. Why is everyone upset?"? Since it's just a piece of parchment, and the contents are well documented elsewhere? Not that hard to grasp. Actually, you're wrong. Just about anyone who knows anything knows what the Declaration of Independence is and its importance in history. Someone doign that would cause a NATIONAL tradgedy. Now, before this story was linked, did any of you clowns know a damned thing about these trees? My guess is, NO. So why don't we all just take a step back, punish the vandal, and not carry on a funeral dirge for the trees no-one knew about outside a segment of Alabama? <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>No one is "acting like it was people killed or something." That's a creation of your mind.<br><br>On the other hand, Joe, you're attitude is cavalier, indifferent, and flip. You continually suggest this is nothing.<br><br>No one here is treating this like a war crimes tribunal for human rights violations. No one is saying that he should be sent to the state pen for ten years.<br><br>On the other hand, this is a blatant act of vandalism committed by a 62-year old man. In purely monetary terms, the replacement value of those trees is astronomical. In truth, as former certified arborist, I can tell you that those trees are irreplaceable. Trees of that age and size cannot be replaced by equivalent specimens.<br><br>The only comment I can recall in this thread about what the sanction should be as that he should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law (governing such things). Virginia Mike said "<font color="#050C42"><font size="2">The person who did this deserves the most severe punsihment allowed by the law and if that isn't enough that they should be tied to this tree and let anyone who wants to give them a whack with a paddle.</font></font><font size="2">"</font><br><br>Not knowing what the law actually stipulates, in principal I would agree with this. <br><br> HTML hell? Edited February 17, 2011 by joesixpack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Actually, you're wrong. Just about anyone who knows anything knows what the Declaration of Independence is and its importance in history. Someone doign that would cause a NATIONAL tradgedy. Now, before this story was linked, did any of you clowns know a damned thing about these trees? My guess is, NO. Almost the entire South East knows about those trees. Just because you are ignorant on something, doesnt mean it is not important. You can try to draw the line at a "national" tragedy, but in theory its the same principal. "Hey, its just a piece of paper" "Hey, theyre just trees" Not everything should be taken at face value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 (edited) Almost the entire South East knows about those trees. Just because you are ignorant on something, doesnt mean it is not important. You can try to draw the line at a "national" tragedy, but in theory its the same principal. "Hey, its just a piece of paper" "Hey, theyre just trees" Not everything should be taken at face value. There's a whole boatload of things people in the South hold dear that people in the North wouldn't mind seeing burned. Speaking of being burned....what if one of those trees was struck by lightning? Would it still be an overwhelming emotional tragedy? Listen, the guy who did it was an ass, and should be punished, but all the hysteria is a bit much. Edited February 17, 2011 by joesixpack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Actually, you're wrong. Just about anyone who knows anything knows what the Declaration of Independence is and its importance in history. Someone doign that would cause a NATIONAL tradgedy. Now, before this story was linked, did any of you clowns know a damned thing about these trees? My guess is, NO. So why don't we all just take as tep back, punish the vandal, and not czrry on a funeral dirge for the trees no-one knew about outside a segment of Alabama? There are lots of things of great value that I and others don't know about. I didn't know about sacred Buddhist monuments in Afghanistan that the freaking Taliban was blowing up until after they did it. Many people didn't know of genocidal acts committed by people like Stalin and Milosevich and Mao until many years after the fact. Your argument that we didn't know about these trees beforehand completely misses the point. You are clearly out of your depth here. People who don't know much need to talk less and listen more. If I'm ignorant in a conversation, I don't say anything because I know I can't add anything. You really need to curb yourself. I'm sorry I can't resist telling you that your ignorance is staggering. Your ignorance is off the charts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 There's a whole boatload of things people in the South hold dear that people in the North wouldn't mind seing burned. Speaking of being burned....what if one of those trees was struck by lightning? Would it still be an overwhelming emotional tragedy? Yes, it would still be a tragedy but people would not be "angry". Sad and upset, but hard to be angry at lightning. And with that, Im done. You're out of your mind if you cant comprehend why people would be upset about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I'm sorry I can't resist telling you that your ignorance is staggering. Your ignorance is off the charts. OK, thanks for your meaningless input. Someone get this poor fellow a tissue box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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