qdawg in philly Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I wouldn't have a problem with VM. I just think we should trade back and get him. Because there are questions concerning his size, why not add another pick along with him. I like the combo of Phil Taylor and VM. If we can get an extra 2nd round pick, we might have a shot at this combo. I also look at playing cut throat. We wouldn't want anyone alse in our division to grab him. Just my way of thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Von Miller and hopefully a Merriman at 75% should upgrade this LB corps considerably. I am really starting to thin that this is going to be the pick..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Von Miller and hopefully a Merriman at 75% should upgrade this LB corps considerably. I am really starting to thin that this is going to be the pick..... Our OLB corp will look a lot better w/ Moats as a backup/pass-downs player, too. And that's no knock on Moats either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayers Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 an NFL O-lineman can curl 237. He really needs some more strength to battle NFL Tackles all game long. SAM is probably not a realistic position for Miller, but that doesn't mean he is not a good talent. Where can I get a video of someone curling 237 that is a lot of weight when most guys can only bench maybe 50lbs more. If we draft Miller and let him play along with Merriman with Moats spelling Merriman I think our OLB would be stacked. Miller has good cover skills and can play the run with Merriman and Moats being the rushing backers all we would need then would be 2 good ILB and are D would be good again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 (edited) Where can I get a video of someone curling 237 that is a lot of weight when most guys can only bench maybe 50lbs more. If we draft Miller and let him play along with Merriman with Moats spelling Merriman I think our OLB would be stacked. Miller has good cover skills and can play the run with Merriman and Moats being the rushing backers all we would need then would be 2 good ILB and are D would be good again Its a bit of an exaggeration . . The same kind of exaggeration as Miller's cover skills. NFL teams are going to run right at Von Miller, at his current weight in the NFL its going to be pancake city imo. Its good to know that all the Andrew Luck worship is getting chanelled into Von Miller. (I bet Von Miller can walk across Lake Erie in August too ) (BTW: Most NFL OTs would max out their bench closer to or over 400, Nate Allen benched 700lbs once. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1FAbsxREb4) Edited February 8, 2011 by Why So Serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Our OLB corp will look a lot better w/ Moats as a backup/pass-downs player, too. And that's no knock on Moats either. +1, Moats improved throughout the season (looked AWFUL early on), but he is built as a pass rushing specialist. He has short arms, and really struggled to tackle people in the open field (AKA, bad for the run D). Having said that please no VM at #3! A guy that size might be able to be productive on a team with a big, experienced D line...But NOT behind ours. We need size and power. We signed Merriman to a decent contract, now we need to improve the front. Grab some LB's later on. I would even be happy with AJ green, we haven't had a legit #1 since Eric Moulds. SJ is decent, but has horrible hands and was a product of there being no one else to throw to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Where can I get a video of someone curling 237 that is a lot of weight when most guys can only bench maybe 50lbs more. If we draft Miller and let him play along with Merriman with Moats spelling Merriman I think our OLB would be stacked. Miller has good cover skills and can play the run with Merriman and Moats being the rushing backers all we would need then would be 2 good ILB and are D would be good again Stacked? Lets not get carried away lol. I think we are all hoping Merriman is healthy and effective, but that is a BIG question mark. Moats is an ok pass rusher, but not an every down backer. And I just don't see a small guy like VM making a difference without LARGER play makers around him. We have been doing the small speed backers for years...how's that working out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I wouldn't have a problem with VM. I just think we should trade back and get him. Because there are questions concerning his size, why not add another pick along with him. I like the combo of Phil Taylor and VM. If we can get an extra 2nd round pick, we might have a shot at this combo. I also look at playing cut throat. We wouldn't want anyone alse in our division to grab him. Just my way of thinking. Miller will be off the draft board before the 6th pick. Just who do you think we're going to trade back with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Miller will be off the draft board before the 6th pick. Just who do you think we're going to trade back with? Lol, I know most of what we are talking about is wild speculation, but it's tough to make a blanket statement like that and say VM will be gone by pick 6. Most of the news I have heard doesn't even have him as the "consensus top LB" (Quinn?), just "top ten potential". He could go #2, or he could run a 4.8 in the combine and slip to the second round. No one knows. Claussen was a "lock" to go in the first round last year... Remember the annual videos of Thurman Thomas sound asleep, being picked WAY later than predicted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Lol, I know most of what we are talking about is wild speculation, but it's tough to make a blanket statement like that and say VM will be gone by pick 6. Most of the news I have heard doesn't even have him as the "consensus top LB" (Quinn?), just "top ten potential". He could go #2, or he could run a 4.8 in the combine and slip to the second round. No one knows. Claussen was a "lock" to go in the first round last year... Remember the annual videos of Thurman Thomas sound asleep, being picked WAY later than predicted? Claussen fell because everyone new he was not a lock to begin with. Von Miller is a considered "the" best 3-4 OLB in this draft something that is very hard to find. He had 21 tackles for a loss in his junior season and 17.5 in his Senior season so don't go pontificating about how he can't play the run. I'm not even going to talk about how many sacks he has rung up. Point is, he will go very early. No one in this draft is going to rush to get a QB because there just isn't much talent there. There are some very good Defensive linemen but this is the deepest draft I have seen in a while. Some teams will go that route but Von Miller has proven many many times that he is a gifted athlete and will not be overlooked by any team. No later than 6th pick.......that's my story and I'm sticking with it. We can revisit this thread if you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 (edited) Claussen fell because everyone new he was not a lock to begin with. Von Miller is a considered "the" best 3-4 OLB in this draft something that is very hard to find. He had 21 tackles for a loss in his junior season and 17.5 in his Senior season so don't go pontificating about how he can't play the run. I'm not even going to talk about how many sacks he has rung up. Point is, he will go very early. No one in this draft is going to rush to get a QB because there just isn't much talent there. There are some very good Defensive linemen but this is the deepest draft I have seen in a while. Some teams will go that route but Von Miller has proven many many times that he is a gifted athlete and will not be overlooked by any team. No later than 6th pick.......that's my story and I'm sticking with it. We can revisit this thread if you like. "Claussen fell because everyone new he was not a lock to begin with" - Everyone except the so called experts I guess, who all had him going in the 1st. "Von Miller is a considered "the" best 3-4 OLB in this draft" - In your opinion. many people like Quinn at OLB. Also, many people think VM is better suited to ILB in the pros due to his size. "He had 21 tackles for a loss in his junior season" - Aaron Maybin had a great year too... I don't doubt at all that VM is a gifted athlete, he was a tremendous college player. There are a lot of gifted athletes at many positions in this draft, and it is only February...Aaron Rodgers was mocked as the #1 overall pick going into the draft in most circles...but he kept sliding. I guess it's also because "everyone new he was not a lock to begin with". Every year there are surprises with guys that rise or fall, especially with predictions made before the combine. My point is just that to say he is a "lock" for a top 6 pick at this point is a little ridiculous, especially a guy with a major question mark (size). Edited February 8, 2011 by Turbosrrgood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I would be very happy with Von Miller at #3 because he has such a tremendous track record. And he has looked very good against very big left tackles. He covers well, has the ability to close fast on QBs and RBs and he is very difficult to block. Unlike Maybin, he has multiple pass rush moves and can even drop into coverage, duties that are very important for an OLB. However, on this team as it currently stands, he is likely going to struggle. We have some very good talent at the Nose Tackle position but we have some mediocre talent at DE. Without a premium product at that position, Von Miller will be a wasted pick. The Bills need to stock up on all LB positions to run a 3-4 effectively. That's why I'd like to see Miller at the #3, a Top 5 3-4 DE in round 2 and another LB in the latter rounds probably ILB. As far as all of this talk about 4-3 and hybrid, I seriously think that the people managing this team are trying to get away from that. They want a 3-4 defense and are going to draft for that. I've always thought a hybrid can work if you are good at one or the other and just want to confuse blocking schemes- main theme is get good at something. I agree, I think we are going 3-4. I really like Cam Heyward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 I know everyone's excited about Van Miller - but last time I saw him he could barely walk or chew solid food, kept telling the same old jokes over and over again, and every now and then would burst out screaming, " It's FAN-demonium!!! " Do we really want to spend a #3 pick on him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Mocks from 12 sources Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Mocks from 12 sources Says exactly what Ive been saying the entire time. Not worthy of #3 overall. Even the one mock that has us taking him at 3 admits that it's a reach. There is too much talent on the board to be reaching at #3. He may be very good, but we can do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Mocks from 12 sources Thanks, nice link that proves taking him early wouldn't be the worst thing ever just because he's a LB. Most of those have him around 7. Or 6 1/2. Good insight and nice abstracts. But he's a ILB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I fail to see how someone would be a fine selection at #5-7, but would be a "reach" at #3. Mind-boggling really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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