Brandon Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 it was an example, nothin is ever an absolute either way..i realize that. what set the Lions back 10 years ultimately was drafting Harrington in 2002 or 2001..whenever it was, culminated by drating useless WR's. No, what set them back is that they couldn't draft, period. The WRs, Harrington, the OL and defensive front seven picks...none of them really panned out that well. The point I'm making here is that you're generally better off selecting the best player on the board unless you're absolutely loaded at the position. If you try to follow a formula for success like Detroit did, you end up bypassing superior players and building a weaker team in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 When drafting I'd think about the following 1. Players absolute ability at his position compared to everyone in the draft and everyone in the NFL - is he a HOF type player, a usually pro-bowl type, a couple time pro-bowl type, and so on. 2. The importance of his position- QB is the most important position and people will argue about the order of other positions 3. The gap between the player and the next best player at his position, the strength of the position in the whole draft 4. What is the difference between the player and the player on your team he'd replace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Receivers, especially in the top 10, don't win football games. It's been proven time and time again. Green is a beast but receiver is the most dependant position in all of sports. How many Sbs have TO, Moss, 85, Steve Smith, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson combined to win? Our receivers are more than fine. Dareus might not be as explosive of a talent as Green but his position will contribute a lot more to us winning games than adding another receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted February 5, 2011 Author Share Posted February 5, 2011 Receivers, especially in the top 10, don't win football games. It's been proven time and time again. Green is a beast but receiver is the most dependant position in all of sports. How many Sbs have TO, Moss, 85, Steve Smith, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson combined to win? Our receivers are more than fine. Dareus might not be as explosive of a talent as Green but his position will contribute a lot more to us winning games than adding another receiver. If Green becomes the next Rice or Moss, and Dareus becomes what everyone thinks he'll become, a solid defense lineman...the Bills are the biggest losers. The NFL has become a passing league, having the best receiving core will do them much better than having an ok defensive line. Remember when two teams passed on Michael Jordan? This is the situation the Bills will be faced with if they pass on a player of Green's ability. They DO have seven more draft picks after the first round to address the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 If Green becomes the next Rice or Moss, and Dareus becomes what everyone thinks he'll become, a solid defense lineman...the Bills are the biggest losers. The NFL has become a passing league, having the best receiving core will do them much better than having an ok defensive line. Remember when two teams passed on Michael Jordan? This is the situation the Bills will be faced with if they pass on a player of Green's ability. They DO have seven more draft picks after the first round to address the defense. Your point of the NFL being a passing league kinda shows why you don't draft receivers high IMO. You don't need a dominate physical talent because defenseive backs can't breathe on receivers without getting a penalty. Thus, you don't need a typical stud receiver. There's not one 1st round receiver on Pitt and GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted February 5, 2011 Author Share Posted February 5, 2011 Your point of the NFL being a passing league kinda shows why you don't draft receivers high IMO. You don't need a dominate physical talent because defenseive backs can't breathe on receivers without getting a penalty. Thus, you don't need a typical stud receiver. There's not one 1st round receiver on Pitt and GB. You're talking about two teams that regularly draft at the bottom of the round. Apples and oranges. When you're drafting in the top 3, and there's a huge discrepancy between the talent levels of two player like Green and Dareus (or another fill in the blank player), you either draft Green or prepare to look foolish and regret the decision for the next decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 (edited) Receivers, especially in the top 10, don't win football games. It's been proven time and time again. Green is a beast but receiver is the most dependant position in all of sports. How many Sbs have TO, Moss, 85, Steve Smith, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson combined to win? Our receivers are more than fine. Dareus might not be as explosive of a talent as Green but his position will contribute a lot more to us winning games than adding another receiver. Sure think Bucs wish they would have taken Jerry Rice (16th) at #8 that year instead of DE Ron Holmes. And how's your #1 overall Mario Williams DE doing in the ring department, versus #25 pick that year Santonio Holmes? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24k3PCL4prU Edited February 6, 2011 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 (edited) If Green becomes the next Rice or Moss, and Dareus becomes what everyone thinks he'll become, a solid defense lineman...the Bills are the biggest losers. The NFL has become a passing league, having the best receiving core will do them much better than having an ok defensive line. Remember when two teams passed on Michael Jordan? This is the situation the Bills will be faced with if they pass on a player of Green's ability. They DO have seven more draft picks after the first round to address the defense. Granted MJ was the best ever but hakeem Olajuwon wasn't a total flop. It's a little bit premature to anoint green as the greatest player in the history of the NFL. Especially at a position so dependent on a line, qb, running game etc... If they think he's MJ pull the trigger but I wont cry about taking a richard Seymour-esque lineman like dareus. Versatile, and I think very high probability of him being a perennial probowler. A reliable big body ala Olajuwon. I just don't want to end up with Sam Bowie. Edited February 6, 2011 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 If Aj Green is Selected by the Bills, does theat make Lee Evans expendable? Lee just isnt as good as we would all like to think he is especially without a QB with a big arm. What could we get for him? a 2nd? not to mention by the time the Bills are competitive he will be a fairly old player. IMO Chicago should be very interested in Evans, Cutler has a huge arm and would mesh well with Evans not to mention they are competive now and there recievers arent spectacular. There is some good defensive front players to be had in the 2nd round in this years draft ant theres no telling where the top OTs in this draft will fall or even Qbs for that matter. Aj is likely to fall to us at #3 and would be very hard to pass on no matter what our needs are. A trade down would be nice to acquire more picks but very unlikely at the # 3 spot without any obvious franchise QBs expected to go in the top 5...Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 As a 30 year old? Not a 2. He is worth keeping. Green has done nothing as a pro. He could be next in a long line of can't miss busts too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 I have never once heard the Rockets get criticized for taking Hakeem. The Sonics get blasted for taking Bowie, though. I was blasting them at the time they did it. Taking the big guy instead of the more talented guy. I said this is like the Braves taking John Hummer instead of Calvin Murphy with their first ever pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Sure think Bucs wish they would have taken Jerry Rice (16th) at #8 that year instead of DE Ron Holmes. And how's your #1 overall Mario Williams DE doing in the ring department, versus #25 pick that year Santonio Holmes? youtube.com/watch?v=24k3PCL4prU This is the same logic as saying you should draft QBs in the 6th round because they might become Brady. Plus if you think Holmes was the reason the Steelers won the SB, you're delusional. Elite/ highly drafted receivers don't win championships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 At some point we need to stack talent, not replace talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 This is the same logic as saying you should draft QBs in the 6th round because they might become Brady. Plus if you think Holmes was the reason the Steelers won the SB, you're delusional. Elite/ highly drafted receivers don't win championships. I don't think Houston is regretting their decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 This is the same logic as saying you should draft QBs in the 6th round because they might become Brady. Plus if you think Holmes was the reason the Steelers won the SB, you're delusional. Elite/ highly drafted receivers don't win championships. Rice #16 overall, 3 rings Holmes #25 overall, 1 ring and super bowl winning catch 2nd year in league Irvin #11 overall, 3 rings Swann #21 overall, 4 rings There are others. Seriously just go away, you're making a complete fool of yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 (edited) Rice #16 overall, 3 rings Holmes #25 overall, 1 ring and super bowl winning catch 2nd year in league Irvin #11 overall, 3 rings Swann #21 overall, 4 rings There are others. Seriously just go away, you're making a complete fool of yourself Yea drafting a wr high is not certain failure but it's not the traditional path to success. Also, none of those are top 5-- good receivers on bad teams don't create a winning atmospheres often Also most were pre-free agency. And Santonio was taken late in round one, to a playoff team, is already gone from said team, for a 5th rounder. Edited February 6, 2011 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 My question is if it is between Green and Peterson, are you so hard set on Green that you would ignore the higher level of need that Peterson would fill? The problem with Peterson is that the Bills have a long history of letting their best DBs go first-contract-and-out. I don't think they should consider going with a DB at third overall unless they make a rock-solid commitment to ending that first-contract-and-out nonsense once and for all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Yea drafting a wr high is not certain failure but it's not the traditional path to success. Also, none of those are top 5-- good receivers on bad teams don't create a winning atmospheres often Also most were pre-free agency. And Santonio was taken late in round one, to a playoff team, is already gone from said team, for a 5th rounder. has less to do with the position and more to do with an impact player and the BPA. Im addressing the silly argument that highly drafted WRs dont win championships. Some more: Keyshawn Johnson #1 Torry Holt #6 Plaxico Burress #8 Marvin Harrison #19 Reggie Wayne #30 Javon Walker #20 may join the list tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billnutinphoenix Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 Either Green, Peterson, or Fairley....Need I say more!!!! Larry Fitzgerald - 3rd overall - probably a future HOF....not his fault about the team he's on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 6, 2011 Share Posted February 6, 2011 If Green becomes the next Rice or Moss, and Dareus becomes what everyone thinks he'll become, a solid defense lineman...the Bills are the biggest losers. The NFL has become a passing league, having the best receiving core will do them much better than having an ok defensive line. Remember when two teams passed on Michael Jordan? This is the situation the Bills will be faced with if they pass on a player of Green's ability. They DO have seven more draft picks after the first round to address the defense. How did Moss do with the Raiders, or his last 2 teams? What was missing...........? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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