The Senator Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 (edited) It would be worth it to trade away absolutely everything. Give Carolina any 5 of our players, and all of our draft picks this year. Having an elite-level QB is worth any price. Ask the Colts and Patriots how easy it is to make the playoff with theirs, despite having marginal supporting casts year in and year out. That's an interesting concept (and one that I'm sure will have more than a few supporters on TSW) - let's trade Evans, Parrish, Nelson, Wood, Bell, and all of our draft picks. We won't have an o-line or anyone to throw to - but hey, we'll have that ' elite-level QB ' (Of course, he'll be anything BUT elite laying on his back, with no receivers, as he's carted off the field on a stretcher.) Edited January 4, 2011 by The Senator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Gun Special Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 It would be worth it to trade away absolutely everything. Give Carolina any 5 of our players, and all of our draft picks this year. Having an elite-level QB is worth any price. Ask the Colts and Patriots how easy it is to make the playoff with theirs, despite having marginal supporting casts year in and year out. Yea but our team blows.... so a potential manning-esque player is not as important as some potential defensive starters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sllib olaffub Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Things have changed a little over the last few days, and will change again, and again if Luck opts to stay in school - which I doubt, all things considered (his coach probably leaving, the upcoming rookie salary cap, Locker's situation, etc.). But, Blaine Gabbert has entered the 2011 draft. Still, Luck is the concensus top QB, but with Gabbert, Newton, and Locker, not to mention the Ponder and Kaepernick and other 2nd tier QB's, this QB crop might go down as one of the best in the last few decades. Between Manning Jr., Rivers, and Roethlisberger, I don't think San Diego or Pittsburg would want to trade for each other's QB - which, I hope, could equate to the same type situation with a Luck and a Gabbert - two QB's, one much like Payton Manning, one like Phillip Rivers - each good enough to build a franchise around. Now it's not as if the Bills have to go for broke for Luck if they want a true franchise QB prospect. And, that isn't even considering whether or not most of the NFL considers Cam Newton a top 10 prospect, either - not to mention Mallet and Locker. All of a sudden, with Bowers, Fairley, Peterson, Von Miller, Luck, Gabbert, Mallet - there will be choices for Buffalo Without Having To Move Up!!! And, we could even move down a few spots, pick up extra 2nd and 3rd, maybe, if a team a few spots below us want to be sure to get, say, Peterson or Bowers or Fairley - and we have our sights on a guy that should be there a few picks later. Of course, now if we do go other than QB with our 1st round pick, there is even better chance we'll see one of the fringe players there in the second round - which makes our losing the last two games of the season a Huge difference - because if a guy like Locker or Mallet falls out of the first round, there will be a huge difference between being 3rd in the second round and, say, 7th or 8th. This draft looks to be one of the best for a Bills fan in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 If Luck declares, you would have to overpay. Something like our entire 2011 draft AND the 2012 first rounder. Even then, Carolina would probably just stay put and pick Luck. It's a QB driven league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 two carolina execs say they will take Luck if he comes out...no chance of trading out of pick...(darn) http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/news/story?id=5988254 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 (edited) Whatever you say chief. Then at least answer the original poster's question. What do you give up for him if you're Nix? How would you determine a fair trade price? If it doesn't apply to someone so highly regarded like Luck, then to whom does the system apply? And how do teams determine the cut-off, i.e. When do they say this guy should be valuated at that pick but that guy shouldn't be? It doesn't apply, but it seems to make you feel more comfortable if it does. The situation and philosophies of the teams holding the number pick differ from team to team and year to year. Some people need a blankey and the idea that thing can be fit into a 'chart' to feel safe at night. I'd give up this year's first and a second with a mid round pick as well. Are you happy I answered the question, "Chief"? Edited January 5, 2011 by jeremy2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 I he does declare (he won't), I'd give up nothing - I'd be happy if Carolina takes him at #1, so we can grab Mallett. That reminds me of how happy the Bengals were when the Eagles picked McNabb in '99 so they could grab Akili Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrFishfinder Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 The way this franchise has drafted in the 1st round, I'd give up as many future 1st rounders as the League will allow in a trade. Actually....that's not a half bad idea. You have a pretty much unarguable point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 If Luck stays in school he will likely lose 25-30 million dollars in guaranteed money (that is just my prediction based on the fact there will be a salary cap on rookies after this year. The amount the top few picks will receive should be drastically reduced, as well they should be). Last year, Bradford signed for about 78 million with 50 mil guaranteed. And Luck is light years ahead of Bradford as a prospect. A few years ago, it cost The Giants the fourth overall, the fourth pick of the 3rd round, plus the next year's #1 to get the #1 overall (Eli Manning) who wasn't nearly the prospect Luck is. So the earlier poster saying we would need to give up our #1, our #2, and next year's #1 is probably pretty close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 As said by almost everyone else. Our 1st and 3rd this year and a 1st next year. I would even throw in another late round pick if necessary. I get that we have other needs, I do. But I firmly believe that this is a great year for FA's on the defense. My only concern would be the Right Tackle position. But, isn't Gaither and the guy from San Diego FA's this offseason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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