steampunk Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 One good Kyle Williams Top 5 deserves another! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3apxfOKRnk ::sheepishly:: I admit I didn't recognize his #1 by name alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 It comes from all over including the middle. Why are we so bad against the run? Maybe go back to the 4-3 and pair him with a true two gap DT. FALSE. The Bills surrender the VAST majority of rushing yards on sweep plays and plays to the outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 (edited) Beat me to it. Football basics-1 Ganesh-0 Actually, Ngata is the exception. Usually what he said is true. Ngata is a freak and most players who were NTs cannot play DE like Ngata whatsoever, and usually are not as good at 4-3 DT either because their jobs are different. Ngata can do either of them because he's great and an aberration. 95% of the time, Ganesh would have been correct in that assumption. Actually, it's football basics that classic 3-4 NTs cannot play 3-4 DE. Edited November 25, 2010 by Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninFl Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 It comes from all over including the middle. Why are we so bad against the run? Maybe go back to the 4-3 and pair him with a true two gap DT. They ARE playing a 4-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Actually, Ngata is the exception. Usually what he said is true. Ngata is a freak and most players who were NTs cannot play DE like Ngata whatsoever, and usually are not as good at 4-3 DT either because their jobs are different. Ngata can do either of them because he's great and an aberration. 95% of the time, Ganesh would have been correct in that assumption. Actually, it's football basics that classic 3-4 NTs cannot play 3-4 DE. The salt in the wound though is that the Bills scouts gave the same grade to John "Inactive on Sunday" McCargo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Actually, Ngata is the exception. Usually what he said is true. Ngata is a freak and most players who were NTs cannot play DE like Ngata whatsoever, and usually are not as good at 4-3 DT either because their jobs are different. Ngata can do either of them because he's great and an aberration. 95% of the time, Ganesh would have been correct in that assumption. Actually, it's football basics that classic 3-4 NTs cannot play 3-4 DE. Nah, anyone who's watched a Bills game knows the run plays that kill us are the ones that avoid KW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Can you imagine what you defense would look like if we drafted Ngata instead of Whitner? Him and Williams clogging up the middle. DE's getting sacks with ease, no one able to run on us. If only... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 pretty soon it will be a beast on a great team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Sorry state of affairs. KW is a 4-3 DT while Nagata is a classic 3-4 nose tackle. Sadly DJ felt nagata was not a good fit for his cover-2 The irony is Ngata plays fast for his size, and he can penetrate/pursue really well. He would've been fine in the cover 2 scheme and still a force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VADC Bills Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 They ARE playing a 4-3. But they don't have 2 gap DT for him to play beside. FALSE. The Bills surrender the VAST majority of rushing yards on sweep plays and plays to the outside. And up the middle.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 But they don't have 2 gap DT for him to play beside. And up the middle.... Since this is going nowhere, anyone have any stats on how many yards per rush the Bills surrender up the middle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 (edited) Since this is going nowhere, anyone have any stats on how many yards per rush the Bills surrender up the middle? Ask and you shall receive. http://www.footballo...rs.com/stats/dl It appears we definitely give up more yards per carry on the outside, but it appears one side of our line on the inside gets killed and one side doesn't pretty good. If you're going to refer to the stats, make sure you read the whole article and actually think, because these are adjusted yards, for the formula they use. But it makes sense to look at it this way. The stats, like everything, can be totally misleading. For example, I think everyone watching the Bills has seen our OLB get killed (Kelsay, Torbor) while being blocked, and guys running by them in the open field for huge gains. The ILB (Poz, Davis) not so much, and just let guys drag them for 5-8 yard gains. Edited November 26, 2010 by Kelly the Fair and Balanced Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoretalk Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Yet we r giving up 163 yards per game, worst ain the league! When your linebackers fail to tackle the work of your pro-bowl NT goes to waste. Every single Sunday Kyle is taking up two Offensive linemen so the advantage becomes ours ... maybe, just maybe we have turned a corner with the run D but we will have to see how this all plays out over the next few weeks. If we had one terrorizing LB Williams work would be getting more notice ... our LB's are great at catching runners from behind ... we need someone who gets in their faces and tackles them rather than hoping their body bump will do the work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan74 Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 I think he's playing great. Would he fit better as a 3-4 end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Ask and you shall receive. http://www.footballo...rs.com/stats/dl It appears we definitely give up more yards per carry on the outside, but it appears one side of our line on the inside gets killed and one side doesn't pretty good. If you're going to refer to the stats, make sure you read the whole article and actually think, because these are adjusted yards, for the formula they use. But it makes sense to look at it this way. The stats, like everything, can be totally misleading. For example, I think everyone watching the Bills has seen our OLB get killed (Kelsay, Torbor) while being blocked, and guys running by them in the open field for huge gains. The ILB (Poz, Davis) not so much, and just let guys drag them for 5-8 yard gains. If I had to name just one unit responsible for our rush D woes, I have to say it falls squarely to our OLB's. Which is why the mere mention of Kyle Williams got my back up. Also, Kyle Williams flushes the QB A LOT. If he had a remotely competent pass rusher (Kelsay getting 2" from the QB and falling on his face = 70% competency in my book, but not competency) we'd be getting a TON of sacks, and thanks in large part to Kyle Williams. There is a lot to grumble about when it comes to this team, and it's mostly one the defensive side of the ball. But leave Kyle Williams out of it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/117619-kyle-freeking-williams/page__p__1939798__fromsearch__1#entry1939798 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Ask and you shall receive. http://www.footballo...rs.com/stats/dl It appears we definitely give up more yards per carry on the outside, but it appears one side of our line on the inside gets killed and one side doesn't pretty good. If you're going to refer to the stats, make sure you read the whole article and actually think, because these are adjusted yards, for the formula they use. But it makes sense to look at it this way. The stats, like everything, can be totally misleading. For example, I think everyone watching the Bills has seen our OLB get killed (Kelsay, Torbor) while being blocked, and guys running by them in the open field for huge gains. The ILB (Poz, Davis) not so much, and just let guys drag them for 5-8 yard gains. Interesting data. Supports the contention that Chris Kelsay sucks too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Interesting data. Supports the contention that Chris Kelsay sucks too. Ha! That jury was out until these stats came to light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Ha! That jury was out until these stats came to light. Only for you, Homer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted November 26, 2010 Share Posted November 26, 2010 Only for you, Homer. Yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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