nodnarb Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 "(Bills head coach) Chan Gailey is a very good offensive coordinator. If you remember, he was moving the ball with Tyler Thigpen in Kansas City. They were scoring 28-plus points per game. The guy knows how to move the ball. And to his credit, he has been doing it (in Buffalo) without a tight end. He's a great schemer. The part I don't understand is why they decided to switch their "40" front (on defense). Whoever made that decision made a bad call. They did not have the personnel to make the move." http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/11/14/insider-bills-gailey-knows-offense Did a TE catch a single ball Sunday? Was Nelson active? Stupar? One stud TE to go along with our 3 serviceable TEs would go a long way in both the run and pass game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b stein 22 Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 "(Bills head coach) Chan Gailey is a very good offensive coordinator. If you remember, he was moving the ball with Tyler Thigpen in Kansas City. They were scoring 28-plus points per game. The guy knows how to move the ball. And to his credit, he has been doing it (in Buffalo) without a tight end. He's a great schemer. The part I don't understand is why they decided to switch their "40" front (on defense). Whoever made that decision made a bad call. They did not have the personnel to make the move." http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/11/14/insider-bills-gailey-knows-offense Did a TE catch a single ball Sunday? Was Nelson active? Stupar? One stud TE to go along with our 3 serviceable TEs would go a long way in both the run and pass game. They moved to a 3-4 to please the fans. Russ Brandon is a marketing genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 I saw that, and it's a good point. Btw the Bills drafted Carrington, who doesn't dress (and may no longer even fit what they're now trying to do on defense), one round before the Pats nabbed Hernandez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 They moved to a 3-4 to please the fans. Russ Brandon is a marketing genius. Or because the last time we ran a 3 - 4 we were top 3 in the league on D for several years. Or because you're far more likely reason - Russ Brandon is a marketing genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 Or because the last time we ran a 3 - 4 we were top 3 in the league on D for several years. Or because you're far more likely reason - Russ Brandon is a marketing genius. I can see that, but the conversion could have been handled better. Rather than scrap the 4=3 and taking what decent players we had on D and playing them out of position for most of the game, we could have simply installed more 3=4 packages and lessened the effect we have been seeing from people playing positions unfamiliar to them. If we had the LBs to switch to a 3=4, I would understand the overnight switch, but not with the personnel we have. It seems like the only person who theoretically would benefit from the switch is Maybin and he can't even play himself onto the active roster. I know schemes are generally an abrupt switch because a new coordinator comes in and wants to install their system, but in this case it may have been better to make the transition a 2 year process. Though that's just my opinion and I could be making little football sense for all I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWest Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 I saw that, and it's a good point. Btw the Bills drafted Carrington, who doesn't dress (and may no longer even fit what they're now trying to do on defense), one round before the Pats nabbed Hernandez. 9 games into the 2010 season, Nix first draft has been a bust. Could it change-Sure, but right now, it looks bad. Spiller was not a good pick for a team with that many needs. The national pundits were right about Spiller being a bad pick at 9 for Buffalo. If the guy was that "electrifying" and "special" wouldnt he have shown a little something by now? He will become good, but we should have grabbed a linebacker... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Little Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 Or because the last time we ran a 3 - 4 we were top 3 in the league on D for several years. Or because you're far more likely reason - Russ Brandon is a marketing genius. Your reason is pretty invalid, too, considering none of the players from the previous 3-4 are even on the Bills anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsinytown Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 They moved to a 3-4 to please the fans. Russ Brandon is a marketing genius. Russ Brandon? I didn't realize he hired George Edwards. Wow, you learn something new on this site everyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b stein 22 Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 (edited) Russ Brandon? I didn't realize he hired George Edwards. Wow, you learn something new on this site everyday. What if Russ Brandon forced Chan to get a coach that uses the 3-4. So they can fool the fan base and get them to buy more season tickets. Edited November 15, 2010 by b stein 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Little Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 What if Russ Brandon forced Chan to get a coach that uses the 3-4? So they can fool the fan base and get them to buy more season tickets. I'm pretty sure season ticket sales declined significantly from 2009 to 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsinytown Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 What if Russ Brandon forced Chan to get a coach that uses the 3-4? So they can fool the fan base and get them to buy more season tickets. Now that's yet another scenario I hadn't thought of............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b stein 22 Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 (edited) I'm pretty sure season ticket sales declined significantly from 2009 to 2010. I know that, but they wanted to fool the fans to think that they are actually trying to win. Fans wanted the 3-4 because the defense sucked. The bills organization knew that they did not have the personnel to run the 3-4 and they still did it anyway. Russ Brandon is just fooling all of you into believing that we are actually moving forward and trying to win. Until we get a new owner we are never going to go to the playoffs again. Edited November 15, 2010 by b stein 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 I got no problem with the switch. The Bills don't have the right personnel for the 3-4, or the 4-3. There seems to be some revisionist history going on, that the Bills had this great defense, prior to this season. What did I miss? So, they were 2nd against the pass last year. Great...they were 32nd against the run! Personally, I hated our defense during the Jauron era. Buddy and Chan warned us, it wasn't going to happen overnight. So, we struggle with the defense we have, until they change some pieces and get better. You can already see some improvement, albeit small, the last few weeks. They still give up way too much yardage, but they are starting to make an occasional play or two...we're 1-8 folks...one step forward, two steps back...til they get it right. They moved to a 3-4 to please the fans. Russ Brandon is a marketing genius. Since when do fans choose to buy tickets, or not, based on the defensive scheme their team runs? Isn't that a little far fetched? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 Or because the last time we ran a 3 - 4 we were top 3 in the league on D for several years. Or because you're far more likely reason - Russ Brandon is a marketing genius. heh. Ya know the last time we also were in the top 3 in defense. 2003-2004 when we played the oh yes 4-3 defense. My point being scheme is not indictive of being good. You can have good defenses in either scheme. The idea is to have good players and coaches. The Bills currently have neither. The little talent we did have was drafted because of their ability to translate into a 4-3 tampa 2. I get it the 3-4 is the in thing. The problem being more than half the league plays the defense, and it will become increasingly difficult to acquire talent in order to transition into and become a good overall unit. Just for the record if you wanna argue about what scheme is better. As of right now 4 of the top 5 defenses play the 4-3. Of the 4 teams that made the conference championships last year only 1 played the 3-4. 3 of the last 4 superbowl champions yup you guessed it 4-3 defense. Its going to be easier to get players for the 4-3 just based on the amount of teams that play the 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opfball91 Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 I know that, but they wanted to fool the fans to think that they are actually trying to win. Fans wanted the 3-4 because the defense sucked. The bills organization knew that they did not have the personnel to run the 3-4 and they still did it anyway. Russ Brandon is just fooling all of you into believing that we are actually moving forward and trying to win. Until we get a new owner we are never going to go to the playoffs again. Our defense was not the problem last year, that's for damn sure. You're talking yourself in circles now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 Your reason is pretty invalid, too, considering none of the players from the previous 3-4 are even on the Bills anymore. Bingo. Just sayin', If we're going to make up reasons we're moving to a 3 - 4, I'd rather dip back to the mid-90's over "keeping the fans happy"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABills08 Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 You can't complain about the Bills skipping over a TE and addressing the DL. I don't know why Carrington hasn't played yet, but I'm hoping it has more to do with the fact that the Bills defensive scheme is a mess. Rookies often don't know how to play a 3-4, as it is a complicated scheme. If you want to knock the Bills for passing on a OT or a better DL when they took Carrington, thats fine. But, knocking them for passing on Hernandez is silly. We have Nelson who by all accounts was supposed to make some serious strides this year. That is until he hurt himself and failed a drug test. Here's hoping he has a better year next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b stein 22 Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 (edited) Our defense was not the problem last year, that's for damn sure. You're talking yourself in circles now. 30th run defense not a problem Lol. As per NFL.com Edited November 15, 2010 by b stein 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opfball91 Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 (edited) 32nd in run defense not a problem Lol. 2nd best pass defense, 30th against the run. Overall 19th in total yardage, 16th in points...that's not the worst. Edited November 15, 2010 by opfball91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted November 15, 2010 Share Posted November 15, 2010 2nd best pass defense, 30th against the run. Overall 19th in total yardage, 16th in points...that's not the worst. yin and yang really, why bother passing when you can run against a team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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