Bob in STL Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 I know the O-line has improved as of late but C. Howard goes down and Ed Wang hasn't even been active for these games. What is going on? Wrotto gets picked-up off waivers and he activated before a player the staff was high on coming out of college. I don't get it, was he over valued by the scouting staff? You say the staff was high on him coming out of college? I say he was viewed as the best person in the middle rounds at a position of high need that they had yet to address. Big difference. Wrotto has more experience. He has started games in the NFL before. So far Wang has been injured a lot and did not look very good in pre-season, even against second half roster filler. Wang is a project, not a top prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 Moats, a low draft pick, and David Nelson and Coleman, both free agent draftees, are contributing more than the higher drafted picks. I'm confident that Spillar is going to be a good player for us in the not too distant future. However, Troup is playing a little and Carrington doesn't even see the field. The owner and Nix have made it crystal clear that the Bills are going to primarily build through the draft. The problem is that the Bills are one of the worst drafting teams. In addition, their scouting department hasn't materially changed. Nix is certainly more involved with the selections of the pick. But the same ineffective scouting staff is providing him with the evaluations of the prospects. How do you square that circle? Hitting on lowly drafted players and free agent rookies is one way of accelerating the rebuilding process. Not getting a return on your more highly drafted players is a way to regress. This franchise is stuck near the bottom because they are not very proficient in evaluating prospects. It seems that the same song is being sung over and over. The best value pick in this past draft is David Nelson. As a free agent rookie he is immensely better than James Hardy, a former second round selection. As far as I know he is out of football. Those numerous wasted high picks have sunk this franchise deep into the muck of mediocrity. How does Tom Modrak still have a job? Troup is now playing on almost every down. I saw him getting good penetration a couple times vs. Chicago. It's hard to guage how well he's playing considering he doesn't really put up the numbers as a gap plugger, but at least he's playing. Yeah Nelson is a legitimate #3 receiver today as an undrafted free agent rookie. Pretty impressive. Pick him up as a bench receiever in your fantasy league, he's gonna get all Roscoe's snaps and I think Fitzpatrick has a rapport with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 I would say of the 2010 class, Arthur Moats is contributing more than any of them, including Spiller. That's not a statement of talent, but it seems Gailey and their staff is reluctant, as was DJ, to use younger guys. And if they don't get experience, how will they improve? Levy did not play rookies either. Good teams with lots of talent (Pats*, Steelers) can sometimes plug a rookie in and the people around him can help. It is surprising to see rookies drafted after the first 2 rounds play enough to make an impact. Not impossible but not the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 (edited) I don't see a plan almost a year into the Nix-Gailey pairing. I do see a plan. It is a two step plan. The first part is the easy part. Systematically getting rid of the mediocre players they inherited. Edwards, Hardy, Ellis etc, Players such as Maybin and McCargo will certainly be jettisoned. Stroud won't be on the team next year. The next step is the most challenging part, replacing those non-productive players. That is where you and I have major concerns. This organization is not known for being very adept at drafting players and working the draft board to get good value from where they draft. The last draft wasn't too encouraging. There shouldn't be too much surprise with this lackluster performance. The scouting department is little changed from the prior years. Explain the fascination with Modrak. I am beyond being puzzled with his ability to keep his job???? They needed immediate impact rookies in rounds 1-3. What they got isn't doing that yet when other teams are getting production from their rookies. Here is where I disagree with you. Whether a high drafted rookie is an immediate impact player is not the priority. The most important issue is whether the high drafted player is capable of developing into a good player within a reasonable period of time. That is the question. With respect to Spiller I'm confident. Troup seems to be a solid type player. Is he a second round value? I can't say for sure at this point. I'm leaning toward no. The Carrington issue is a puzzlement. If he can't even get on to the active roster then I have concerns. It seems like DJ all over again in one respect: another old school HC doesn't trust his rookies enough to play them so they get valuable game experience. Maybe there was a reason Gailey and Nix weren't on anyone's radar to fulfill the roles they were hired for in Buffalo? When you bring in old school you will get old school. What did you expect? Ralph Wilson was involved in the hiring process. Did you expect wisdom? Did you expect innovation? He went with what he knew. Which is very little. Why do you think this is such a handicapped franchise? It starts with the outdated owner and his antiquated approach to his money making factory. Although it may seem that I am contradicting myself I have some confidence in Buddy. My problem was with the inept hiring process. On the positive side Nix has been associated with Polian and Butler/A.J Smith. People who knew how to draft and build franchises. I'm hoping that will translate into enough knowledge to carry over for us. Edited November 13, 2010 by JohnC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilbuffalobob Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 Look on the bright side... at least you're not saying "What happened to MY Wang?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimp on da' net Posted November 13, 2010 Author Share Posted November 13, 2010 No... couldn't be Maybe he was over valued by the scouting staff? - I will never get why year after year so many fans think we had some great draft. We are routinely taking bad players and fans convince themselves they are good. If history teaches us anythign its be very very skeptical of who the Bills draft, they have dropped the ball for over ten years! - And that "they need time to improve" argue ment is all hogwash. If Carrington cannot make the active roster on a team with a DL THIS EPICALLY BAD, he never will be a contributer. He cant even beat out McCargo for 2nd to last on the depth chart. I have no hope for him. "but, but, but, he is young! He needs to play! Wah!" Yea well he is young but he sucks. He sucks so bad he doesnt deserve playing time, the the decision the coaches are making. I agree, being skeptical of their draft evaluators is an understatement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 Levy did not play rookies either. Good teams with lots of talent (Pats*, Steelers) can sometimes plug a rookie in and the people around him can help. It is surprising to see rookies drafted after the first 2 rounds play enough to make an impact. Not impossible but not the norm. Levy had perennially the most talented teams in the NFL. Nix-Gailey have one of the, if not the, least talented team in the NFL. Huge difference and poor comparison. It seems like every year the Colts, Pats, Chargers, Ravens, Steelers, Giants, Eagles, Falcons, and now Chiefs are getting contributions from their rookies. See a trend there? Good GM's know how to draft for the future AND for the present. Buffalo hasn't done that in the past ten seasons, including this year. You get what you pay for at GM and HC. And RW doesn't pay but would rather have people he knows at the GM position. Funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimp on da' net Posted November 13, 2010 Author Share Posted November 13, 2010 You say the staff was high on him coming out of college? I say he was viewed as the best person in the middle rounds at a position of high need that they had yet to address. Big difference. Wrotto has more experience. He has started games in the NFL before. So far Wang has been injured a lot and did not look very good in pre-season, even against second half roster filler. Wang is a project, not a top prospect. Its says a lot when a journyman can get the nod over a prospect/project (whatever) that has been with your staff thru OTA & training camp, injured or not. My point being an in reference to other post here, the Bills coaching and scouting dept doesn't seem to be on the same page in evaluating the type of players to fit there system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 The Wang is still here Wang was down for quite a while, but he has risen and is finally ready to take a pounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 he's on the active roster today.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted November 14, 2010 Share Posted November 14, 2010 he's on the active roster today.... Maybe he'll get a few snaps (we do need help on extra points it seems....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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