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The guy from profootballgeeks.com or something? Anyway, they crunch NFL data like mad scientists and the guy basically said what I've been saying all along- that aside from a a very few special talents (Peterson, Chris Johnson, Tomlinson, Gale Sayers, OJ, maybe Spiller?) that the difference in production and talent in RB's is remarkably negligible especially relative to other positions on the field. Translation: plug in a competent back who can stay injury free in a healthy offense and they're gonna put up numbers. Marshawn Lynch is not a special back. He is a very good back who runs hard and I have no doubt that if he were the feature back somewhere, he'd put up numbers. But this guy also said that Fred Jackson has been the more productive back (based on whatever number-crunching this guy does) of the two throughout their respective careers. Guys- namely that bozo that currently has the post up about how this is the second worst move in the history of the franchise- IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT ROUND HE WAS DRAFTED IN! That was 2007, this is now, this is what Gailey and Nix were handed. Keeping him on the team because he was a first rounder is called cutting off your nose to spite your face (an old metaphor from my youth). This is what market value brought him, the three-headed monster wasn't working, they did the right thing. Honestly it's almost to the point that if you don't agree with this, I really question your football IQ.

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I fully agree. Lynch is a good, not great, back and 3rd in talent on the roster. The fact they got a 4th and a conditional is amazing. His stock dropped dramatically last year when he lost his job to Jackson and took his 2nd strike. If he gets a 3rd run-in with the law, he's toast. Jackson is a better back and has been biding his time as Nix and Gailey showcased Lynch to move him. I am willing to bet the offense plays noticeably better in Lynch's departure.

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Very well said..let me add that if you use the logic we should keep him because of his one time draft value..then you must also think we should have kept Hardy and should keep Maybin.

 

The major differences with Lynch and Maybin at this point are: 1) Lynch is productive and Maybin is not 2) Lynch could be replaced 3)Lynch has trade value. I think Maybin gets a pass because there is very little competition at his position and with the Moats injury it only helps Maybin hang on. Unless Maybin catches on fire he is gone next year.

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I fully agree. Lynch is a good, not great, back and 3rd in talent on the roster. The fact they got a 4th and a conditional is amazing. His stock dropped dramatically last year when he lost his job to Jackson and took his 2nd strike. If he gets a 3rd run-in with the law, he's toast. Jackson is a better back and has been biding his time as Nix and Gailey showcased Lynch to move him. I am willing to bet the offense plays noticeably better in Lynch's departure.

 

Yes, good point. When you are pissed off because they couldn't trade Lynch for Andre Johnson or something, remember that Lynch LOST HIS JOB to Fred Jackson last year, a time when they were still trying to win and they weren't showcasing either for a trade. That had to factor in to his market value.

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The guy from profootballgeeks.com or something? Anyway, they crunch NFL data like mad scientists and the guy basically said what I've been saying all along- that aside from a a very few special talents (Peterson, Chris Johnson, Tomlinson, Gale Sayers, OJ, maybe Spiller?) that the difference in production and talent in RB's is remarkably negligible especially relative to other positions on the field. Translation: plug in a competent back who can stay injury free in a healthy offense and they're gonna put up numbers. Marshawn Lynch is not a special back. He is a very good back who runs hard and I have no doubt that if he were the feature back somewhere, he'd put up numbers. But this guy also said that Fred Jackson has been the more productive back (based on whatever number-crunching this guy does) of the two throughout their respective careers. Guys- namely that bozo that currently has the post up about how this is the second worst move in the history of the franchise- IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT ROUND HE WAS DRAFTED IN! That was 2007, this is now, this is what Gailey and Nix were handed. Keeping him on the team because he was a first rounder is called cutting off your nose to spite your face (an old metaphor from my youth). This is what market value brought him, the three-headed monster wasn't working, they did the right thing. Honestly it's almost to the point that if you don't agree with this, I really question your football IQ.

 

Amen brother, we got market value for a run of the mill back. But we have to understand that just because we're fans, doesn't make us "football guys/girls." Again, this is the first year of building (not "rebuilding") a team...can you say open tryouts for every player on the field? Don't be surprised if there are more moves made by week 6, and throughout the season (including the support staff...yeah you, George Edwards).

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Very well said..let me add that if you use the logic we should keep him because of his one time draft value..then you must also think we should have kept Hardy and should keep Maybin.

 

The major differences with Lynch and Maybin at this point are: 1) Lynch is productive and Maybin is not 2) Lynch could be replaced 3)Lynch has trade value. I think Maybin gets a pass because there is very little competition at his position and with the Moats injury it only helps Maybin hang on. Unless Maybin catches on fire he is gone next year.

 

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Another thing I forgot to mention in the original post is that this guy's whole point was that drafting a RB high is stupid unless you believe he is a REAL special talent- like they did w/ Spiller and I'm OK with that as long as they freakin use him now. He mentioned all the undrafted free agents that are starters- Arian Foster, Ryan Grant, etc.

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Another thing I forgot to mention in the original post is that this guy's whole point was that drafting a RB high is stupid unless you believe he is a REAL special talent- like they did w/ Spiller and I'm OK with that as long as they freakin use him now. He mentioned all the undrafted free agents that are starters- Arian Foster, Ryan Grant, etc.

 

 

Add Freddy Jackson to that list once again!!! :thumbsup:

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I like Joique Bell too, and I wish we still had him on the roster, but I'm not really concerned that he's the next breakout UDFA. I think he's likely to have been a good 3rd RB option, like Chad Simpson would have.

 

But then, neither has registered a carry in the NFL this season, so they may be purely preseason wonders.

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I hate to sound like a broken record, but I suggest you look at who the Bills have drafted in the fourth round in the past quarter century before concluding that the Bills "got something" for him.

 

If we just assume that the team has no ability to draft quality players, then there's really no reason to even bother showing up on game day. You can't run a team on the premise that you're too dumb to run a team.

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I really like Joique Bell. We should have kept him. What happened to Simpson? Anderson was just activated as the 3rd back?

 

Chad Simpson was signed by the Redskins

 

Don't worry, before the year is over Bell will be released and the Bills will have another chance to bring him back. Will they choose to remains to be seen..............

 

Joique Bell will be getting carries this weekend in Philly and expect him to do well. LeSean McCoy is hurt and Mike Bell is old.

 

Its likely we missed the boat. If he does do well good for him, but another bungle by the Bills' brass.

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I don't need a stat geek to tell me that Jackson is a more productive player than Lynch. Just watch the games.

 

Amen...

 

But it is funny how Bills Fans, who actually do watch the Games, seem to miss this...It's not a knock on Marshawn either...Freddie is simply the better RB overall... B-)

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The truth is long term Lynch and Spiller will be much more effective than Jackson and Spiller as Jackson will be done in two years and Lynch will have another 7 years to go.

 

Lynch may have been a headache but when you have a headache you take aspirin and relieve the headache you do not remove your head.

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I hate to sound like a broken record, but I suggest you look at who the Bills have drafted in the fourth round in the past quarter century before concluding that the Bills "got something" for him.

 

Fair enough dave, but what was the alternative? They Drafted Spiller and that's what sent this whole thing in motion...Like it or not, that's where they are today...The market for Lynch was the market for Lynch, good or bad...But something had to give and I don't think there was any way the Bills were Trading Fred Jackson because they value him MUCH higher than Lynch overall...So no question chances are the Bills don't get equal value in return for Lynch...But what they do get is more PT for Freddie and CJ, and a less clogged, more content backfield...They get 2 Players who are not just good but great locker room guys and they get rid of a clown...He's not a horrible kid necessarily(unless of coarse your the person he runs over or their family) or a bad teammate, but he's a clown...And this team does not need a clown right now...So call it addition by subtraction, or whatever, but I can't see the harm in this regardless of what they get with that 4th...And who knows...Maybe they get the next Dre Reed for this franchise and it turns into a monster deal...It could happen...Even a blind squirrel catches a nut every now and again...You never, ever know... ;)

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