dave mcbride Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Yeah. He was killing it from 2004 to 2007. It's also be interesting to know how much he was roiding in those years. He is the highest paid player in the history of sports. The fact remains until he joined a loaded team with the highest payroll ever, he never won a ring. He is a front runner and cheater. Baseball's funny - it doesn't allow you to cherry pick stats that you like and discard the ones you don't like. It actually forces you to look at the long haul and aggregate (not partial) numbers. It truly is a game of averages. You're flailing here. You obviously don't like the guy, which is your right. But you really have no argument, and you should just admit it. His postseason numbers are actually pretty spectacular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Ok. But that's part of the reason I think LeBron should have stayed in Cleveland. They still had the best record in the NBA and most people thought they were the favorites in the East. Jordan didn't win his first title until he was 27/28. He can say a tittle in Miami would mean as much as it would in Cleveland but it won't. He is like Gasol or Pippen, good players but not franchise or legendary guys. he would have been a legend in Cleveland and compared to the greats ever. There's no way he can do that in Miami. Again I don't really disagree so not totally sure what you're arguing. I don't think it's really fair to preemptively declare him a 2nd fiddle should they win the championship as if Wade is unquestionably better due to having been handed a ring by some of the worst 1sided officiating in sports history in the Mavericks series (I did not even have a rooting interest). But I do agree, not all ships are created equal and one in Cleveland certainly would have meant more. Baseball's funny - it doesn't allow you to cherry pick stats that you like and discard the ones you don't like. It actually forces you to look at the long haul and aggregate (not partial) numbers. It truly is a game of averages. You're flailing here. You obviously don't like the guy, which is your right. But you really have no argument, and you should just admit it. His postseason numbers are actually pretty spectacular. Baseball is a lot like poker in a lot of ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre Bill Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Ok. But that's part of the reason I think LeBron should have stayed in Cleveland. They still had the best record in the NBA and most people thought they were the favorites in the East. Jordan didn't win his first title until he was 27/28. He can say a tittle in Miami would mean as much as it would in Cleveland but it won't. He is like Gasol or Pippen, good players but not franchise or legendary guys. he would have been a legend in Cleveland and compared to the greats ever. There's no way he can do that in Miami. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre Bill Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 What a hoot! Reads more like a suicide note than a 'call to arms'.... Maybe . . . but I think most of the people reading that in their local paper see it as more of a rallying cry and a hopeful promise. Though probably not surprised, they have got to be p1$$ed! Nobody circles the wagons like the Cleveland Cavs!!!! . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dundy249 Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Food for thought. If Lebron, Dwanye (shouldn't it rhyme with Kanye?), and Chris Bosch all get together and win a championsip as a virtual all-star team, would you still respect them as champions the way you do other teams that have one or two stars and play as a team? it will mean nothing just as the Yankees championships have for 20 years...when you buy them it is worthless The only sport you can not but a championship in is football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Baseball's funny - it doesn't allow you to cherry pick stats that you like and discard the ones you don't like. It actually forces you to look at the long haul and aggregate (not partial) numbers. It truly is a game of averages. You're flailing here. You obviously don't like the guy, which is your right. But you really have no argument, and you should just admit it. His postseason numbers are actually pretty spectacular. He cheated and got caught. He took insane money to go to Texas (don't fault him for that) and led them no where. He was never the marquee guy on him own team (Jeter and Griffey). He piggybacked his way to a title. If you plug a lot of guys into the Yankees' lineup, they can put up numbers. See what Nick Swisher is doing. Playing on a loaded and the most expensive teams ever doesn't impress me. Throw in the fact he is an admitted cheater, sorry i got no respect for the man. But keep pimping cheaters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 This sums up my feelings... http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=At_....ndecision070910 LeBum is a chump. Went to Miami because he can't handle being the man. He has no guts and no loyalty. Now, he has no brand. I didn't think anything could ever make me root for Kobe Bryant, but if the NBA finals are Miami-LA...Go LA! And I like Wade, but nothing would get me to root for LeBum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 He cheated and got caught. He took insane money to go to Texas (don't fault him for that) and led them no where. He was never the marquee guy on him own team (Jeter and Griffey). He piggybacked his way to a title. If you plug a lot of guys into the Yankees' lineup, they can put up numbers. See what Nick Swisher is doing. Playing on a loaded and the most expensive teams ever doesn't impress me. Throw in the fact he is an admitted cheater, sorry i got no respect for the man. But keep pimping cheaters. ?? Swisher's OBP and OPS+ in 2006 and 2007 with the A's were essentially the same as his 2009 numbers. His improved numbers this year are due primarily to plate discipline, swing, and stance, not the lineup that surrounds him (which is worse than the Yankees' lineup last year). His one bad year was 2008. Again, you're flailing by pointing to A-Rod's Rangers years, which were spectacular (as were his Mariners years). The Rangers had no pitching, and they certainly didn't lose because of A-Rod. One player can only do so much. Personally, I think he's jerk, but that doesn't blind me to the fact that he's one of the greatest players of all time. The whole thing about marquee names is bogus anyway - a sportswriters' concoction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjohns85 Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 sorry if has already been posted but i just read on espn that the cavs owner is also the owner of fathead. he reduced the price of lebrons fatheads to $17.41, THE YEAR BENEDICT ARNOLD WAS BORN! LMAO!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPicc2114 Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Lebron joining the Heat was like when Hulk Hogan dropped the big boot on the Macho Man to form the NWO with Scott Hall and Kevin Nash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Lebron joining the Heat was like when Hulk Hogan dropped the big boot on the Macho Man to form the NWO with Scott Hall and Kevin Nash. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Personally, I think he's jerk, but that doesn't blind me to the fact that he's one of the greatest players of all time. Well yes, since the MJ era where traveling, palming and other violations were tossed into the trash heap of time. And the 3-point basket, which killed passing to work the ball inside. Now we have a game with 3 shooters and two slugs, who pile up assist stats. The NBA today is a version of a Barnum & Bailey circus. If Jordan, James, Bryant et al ever brought the ball in sans the ignored steps and palming against the likes of a Thurmond, Chamberlain, Russell, Kaufmann, Unseld, Cowens etc., they would miss half the season with a busted skull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Well yes, since the MJ era where traveling, palming and other violations were tossed into the trash heap of time. And the 3-point basket, which killed passing to work the ball inside. Now we have a game with 3 shooters and two slugs, who pile up assist stats. The NBA today is a version of a Barnum & Bailey circus. If Jordan, James, Bryant et al ever brought the ball in sans the ignored steps and palming against the likes of a Thurmond, Chamberlain, Russell, Kaufmann, Unseld, Cowens etc., they would miss half the season with a busted skull. I'm talking about A-Rod, not James ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever Since '86 Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 it will mean nothing just as the Yankees championships have for 20 years...when you buy them it is worthless The only sport you can not but a championship in is football this is just flat out retarded... you can buy all you want,,, but without team chemistry it doesnt mean ****,, and those yankee teams that dominated were 90% home grown through the yankee farm system... nice try though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 this NBA orphan (ex Braves and Sonics fan) will start rooting for the Cavs. Props to the owner for calling out that prima donna egotistical deserter. !@#$ LeBron! !@#$ the Heat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 I'm talking about A-Rod, not James ... [/quote Sorry - misdirected post. I gave up on MLB when the Pirates emptied out in the early '90's. I think they are approaching 19 years now without a club over .500, and are in a race with BAL this year to the basement. I read the standings to see which is the sorriest. I turned my back on MLB 20 years ago, same as the NBA, and the NHL hockey since the rule changes. I pay to go to the minor leagues; the majors are a joke IMO. They will never get another dime out of me. Sad - I liked them when they played their sports as once intended. It's all just circus and flicking over heavy dough to watch the clowns nowadays. I don't want or need vicarious thrills. Any opinion on the NBA and James? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seq004 Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 The humidity is really the worst I've been to Miami and thought it was a sh!thole with drug dealers and pimps. According to Forbes Miami ranks as the 6th most miserable city to live in. Visit My Website Miserable cities per Forbes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 I've been to Miami and thought it was a sh!thole with drug dealers and pimps. According to Forbes Miami ranks as the 6th most miserable city to live in. Visit My Website Miserable cities per Forbes Miami is the most superficial pretentious city I have ever visited in my life. Buffalo>Miami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOHNNYFAIRPLAY Posted July 9, 2010 Author Share Posted July 9, 2010 HARRRRRYYYYYYY is that a trubute to "Boiler Room" ???????????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkie Gerzowski Posted July 9, 2010 Share Posted July 9, 2010 Well then you should be ticked. Last time I moved I notified the post office. No press conferences, nothing never let the federal govt. get involved in such matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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