swnybillsfan Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 this guy is a hard working, humble, blue collar, lunchpail packin' widebody. seems like i thought of him as a 3-4 DE. but the new staff sees him as a nose tackle. i've heard many people refer to him as the "obvious passing down" nose for our new D, but could he be the #1, every down nose tackle for us? i have to believe he will work as hard as humanly possible to do whatever is required, so is it too much of a stretch to think that he could pack on some more muscle and be that guy that O-lines absolutely hate to play against. didn't he take off a bit of weight to fit into jauron's scheme? he has been one of my favorite bills over the last few years and i just hope they have a place for him on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I know he's a bit undersided for a 3-4 NT, but I don't remember Freddy or Jeff Wright being all that big when the Bills ran the 3-4 in the late 80's and 90's. How is this different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawchukBills Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I hope so. Kyle Williams = Buffalo's Rudy Ruettiger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I know he's a bit undersided for a 3-4 NT, but I don't remember Freddy or Jeff Wright being all that big when the Bills ran the 3-4 in the late 80's and 90's. How is this different? And exactly how did that run defense do anchored by Jeff Wright? Also helped to have had a guy named Smith on one side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I know he's a bit undersided for a 3-4 NT, but I don't remember Freddy or Jeff Wright being all that big when the Bills ran the 3-4 in the late 80's and 90's. How is this different? Offensive linemen are quite larger now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 this guy is a hard working, humble, blue collar, lunchpail packin' widebody. seems like i thought of him as a 3-4 DE. but the new staff sees him as a nose tackle. i've heard many people refer to him as the "obvious passing down" nose for our new D, but could he be the #1, every down nose tackle for us? i have to believe he will work as hard as humanly possible to do whatever is required, so is it too much of a stretch to think that he could pack on some more muscle and be that guy that O-lines absolutely hate to play against. didn't he take off a bit of weight to fit into jauron's scheme? he has been one of my favorite bills over the last few years and i just hope they have a place for him on the field. I was about to start a nose tackle thread but your post saved me the trouble. I will just hitch on to yours. I agree Kevin Williams is a very good player and I think with some limitations he will be able to play the nose position especially in the transition to a true 3-4 remember the Bills are not going to go to a 3-4 exclusively. The Bills will still need another nose tackle but a little different type who will play on first down and on short yardage situations. This will be a big 330 lb + immovable object like a Ted Washington. What the Bills do not need because of Williams is an every down nose tackle. The big run stuffer is an easier guy to find also. This guy does not have to be a super athletic Sam Adams type. He needs to be big and strong take up blockers and generally stuff it up in there. He does not have to be a great pass rusher either. The Bills should be able to pick up such a player on the second or even more likely the third day of the draft. I expect to see plenty of Williams lined up at the NT maybe even DE Let the Offense look for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted March 31, 2010 Author Share Posted March 31, 2010 I was about to start a nose tackle thread but your post saved me the trouble. I will just hitch on to yours. I agree Kevin Williams is a very good player and I think with some limitations he will be able to play the nose position especially in the transition to a true 3-4 remember the Bills are not going to go to a 3-4 exclusively. The Bills will still need another nose tackle but a little different type who will play on first down and on short yardage situations. This will be a big 330 lb + immovable object like a Ted Washington. What the Bills do not need because of Williams is an every down nose tackle. The big run stuffer is an easier guy to find also. This guy does not have to be a super athletic Sam Adams type. He needs to be big and strong take up blockers and generally stuff it up in there. He does not have to be a great pass rusher either. The Bills should be able to pick up such a player on the second or even more likely the third day of the draft. I expect to see plenty of Williams lined up at the NT maybe even DE Let the Offense look for him. if this is the case, and we see a lot of situational formations...would it be conceiveable to have a lighter "pin your ears back and get to the qb as quick as possible" obvious passing formation along with a nobody under 300 lbs on the front line "none shall pass" goal line package with 4 down lineman that could all pass for nfl dt's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthICE Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I know he's a bit undersided for a 3-4 NT, but I don't remember Freddy or Jeff Wright being all that big when the Bills ran the 3-4 in the late 80's and 90's. How is this different? Yeah and did you watch those superbowls? Esp the one with Emmitt running right up the middle on Wright? We need a fat ass in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pygskin36 Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I know he's a bit undersided for a 3-4 NT, but I don't remember Freddy or Jeff Wright being all that big when the Bills ran the 3-4 in the late 80's and 90's. How is this different? News flash.. Jeff Wright sucked... Very much the glaring weak link of those teams... Freddy was very strong as is Williams.. I like Williams there, I think he'll work out well in a rotational situation at Nose... they need a complimenting player there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLynchTrain Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 It all depends if our defense wants to have a 1 or 2 gap NT. Not every 3-4 in the league has a 330 lb nose tackle. Look at Arizona and San Diego for examples. Jay Ratliff (303 lbs) and Darnell Dockett (275 lbs) are of comparable weight. Although I will add they have a good 3-4 inches on Kyle. Anyways Chan said today that they weren't going to run the 3-4 on every down...more of a hybrid 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted March 31, 2010 Author Share Posted March 31, 2010 It all depends if our defense wants to have a 1 or 2 gap NT. Not every 3-4 in the league has a 330 lb nose tackle. Look at Arizona and San Diego for examples. Jay Ratliff (303 lbs) and Darnell Dockett (275 lbs) are of comparable weight. Although I will add they have a good 3-4 inches on Kyle. Anyways Chan said today that they weren't going to run the 3-4 on every down...more of a hybrid 3-4. as far as the height thing goes, don't we ideally want someone shorter with good leverage to get under the pads of the center/guard to stand them straight up and take away their push? if that is the case, williams is perfect at 6'1''. and yeah, 305 or wherever he is listed is not a lightweight, but is it conceiveable for him to add 10 t0 15 lbs and not lose any quickness/explosive burst off the line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Rob Johnson Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Do we know definatively that he will have to be a 2 gap nose? Is it impossible to run a 1 gap 3-4? He has played the 1 gap nose his whole time in Buffalo at his current size just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharper802 Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I know he's a bit undersided for a 3-4 NT, but I don't remember Freddy or Jeff Wright being all that big when the Bills ran the 3-4 in the late 80's and 90's. How is this different? It's not any different. The Bills couldn't stop the run then and they won't be able to with Kyle Williams at NT. Oh look OJ Anderson is still running through the Bills defense...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 It's not any different. The Bills couldn't stop the run then and they won't be able to with Kyle Williams at NT. Oh look OJ Anderson is still running through the Bills defense...... Add Ted Washington and Pat Williams to those Super Bowl teams... and what do you get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 I know he's a bit undersided for a 3-4 NT, but I don't remember Freddy or Jeff Wright being all that big when the Bills ran the 3-4 in the late 80's and 90's. How is this different? In the 1980's and early 90's, there weren't too many defensive or offensive players that weighed above 300 lbs. A 280lb or 290lb NT in this era is a 320+NT in 2010. Also, Kyle Williams doesn't have Bruce Smith, Phil Hansen, or Cornelius Bennett playing alongside or behind him. This is why it is different!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 In the 1980's and early 90's, there weren't too many defensive or offensive players that weighed above 300 lbs. A 280lb or 290lb NT in this era is a 320+NT in 2010. Also, Kyle Williams doesn't have Bruce Smith, Phil Hansen, or Cornelius Bennett playing alongside or behind him. This is why it is different!!! Yup, that's exactly right. Plus Wright got blown off the line many, many times. He was tough but just too small. Same with Kyle. He's not built to tie up two OL , he's meant to penetrate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagon Circler Posted March 31, 2010 Share Posted March 31, 2010 Hard to see Kyle playing at more than 310. He is not the widebody type you need at nose tackle. We need a Ted Washington- Pat Williams type. Cam Thomas in second round? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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