Original Byrd Man Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 A lot has been posted about this scenario. MW was a bust. no doubt about it, but did any one watch the Carolina/Vikes game? BM was benched in it. He was completely manhandled by Peppers. Was he injured coming into the game???? Just wondering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 People have short memories. McKinnie wound up having more of a career than Williams but he hardly lived up to his pre-draft hype. He has been okay to mediocre for most of his years in the NFL. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizell Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 People have short memories. McKinnie wound up having more of a career than Williams but he hardly lived up to his pre-draft hype. He has been okay to mediocre for most of his years in the NFL. PTR :yeahthat: ptr hit the nail on the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 A lot has been posted about this scenario. MW was a bust. no doubt about it, but did any one watch the Carolina/Vikes game? BM was benched in it. He was completely manhandled by Peppers. Was he injured coming into the game???? Just wondering? McKinney was never better than Mike Williams. Mike Williams problems were mental. A lot of people dont know this, Mckinney missed half of his rookie season holding out, look at how much we dislike Maybin for his holdout. Over their 1st 3 year, McKinney gave up 27 sacks in 39 games. Mike Williams over his 1st 3 years gave up 25 sacks in 42 games. Its amazing, but the Bills drafted the right guy. Mike Williams was also blocking for Drew Bledsoe, while McKinney blocked for Culpepper, and Culpepper could still move then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DELLAPELLE JOHN Posted December 25, 2009 Share Posted December 25, 2009 the right pick would have been freeney.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_red Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 A lot has been posted about this scenario. MW was a bust. no doubt about it, but did any one watch the Carolina/Vikes game? BM was benched in it. He was completely manhandled by Peppers. Was he injured coming into the game???? Just wondering? I guess you can never have a bad game. He has been the starting LT for how many years. How anyone can say Mike is/was a better player is just fing crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 I guess you can never have a bad game. He has been the starting LT for how many years. How anyone can say Mike is/was a better player is just fing crazy. Who said Williams was a better player? How anyone can read that post and come away with "Mike is/was a better player" is pretty crazy too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 A lot has been posted about this scenario. MW was a bust. no doubt about it, but did any one watch the Carolina/Vikes game? BM was benched in it. He was completely manhandled by Peppers. Was he injured coming into the game???? Just wondering? yeah the guy had a bad game after being in the league how many years? judging this one game instead of his entire career makes complete sense seriously, this is just dumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 the right pick would have been freeney.... I remember that many mock drafts had Freeney going to Buffalo in the 2nd round! Could you imagine the reaction on this board had we picked Freeney at #4? People would have jumped out of their skin! In hindsight though, knowing all that we do now, it would've been a brilliant pick. This is partly the reason why I gave the FO the benefit of a doubt when Whitner was selected, "maybe they know something that no one else does and he'll be a huge impact player...". Turns out Whitner was a hideous pick; in retrospect AND at the time of the selection. While in Pittsburgh, Donahoe went with his "gut" and against the FO, selecting WR Troy Edwards instead of DE Jevon Kearse. This tremendous blunder would weigh on Donahoe's mind and preclude him from going with his "gut" later - It was mentioned that Donahoe badly wanted to gamble on selecting Albert Haynesworth with that #4 pick, but decided to go the "safer" route and select the player that the rest of the FO desired - Mike Williams. (Haynesworth was viewed as a high risk, high reward pick) If only he would've went with his gut the 2nd time around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_red Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 Who said Williams was a better player?How anyone can read that post and come away with "Mike is/was a better player" is pretty crazy too. "McKinney was never better than Mike Williams. " read all the post dumbass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 Mckinney was benched because after the Ari game when the vikes were manhandled some of the defensive players came out and said that they knew when the vikings were running or passing d/t Mckinneys stance. It is the same reason he was benched in the next game after getting a penalty for not lining up on the line and trying to cheat and get the extra step dropping into pass protection. Better than Williams yes good pick/player eh servicable at best. One bad game? lol how many viking games do you actually watch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 Apparently you missed watching Mike Williams getting thrown into the backfield all night on Monday. OBTW, he's no longer a tackle, he's been moved to guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 People have short memories. McKinnie wound up having more of a career than Williams but he hardly lived up to his pre-draft hype. He has been okay to mediocre for most of his years in the NFL. PTR McKinnie as an average player >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Williams, who was yet another draft day disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 McKinnie as an average player >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Williams, who was yet another draft day disaster. But as a #4 overall pick McKinnie would still be considered a royal bust. We would not care one lick that Williams would be out of the NFL. We still would have drafted a hunk of crap at #4. Speaking of, how is last year's #2 overall pick working out for the Rams? PTR PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 "McKinney was never better than Mike Williams. " read all the post dumbass. Perhaps you should respond to the correct post when calling people "just fing crazy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 But as a #4 overall pick McKinnie would still be considered a royal bust. We would not care one lick that Williams would be out of the NFL. We still would have drafted a hunk of crap at #4. Speaking of, how is last year's #2 overall pick working out for the Rams? PTR PTR Let's see...the guy's played well at tackle for the better part of a decade. Hard to call that a bust, especially considering the guy we DID draft at 4 was OUT of the NFL for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 A lot has been posted about this scenario. MW was a bust. no doubt about it, but did any one watch the Carolina/Vikes game? BM was benched in it. He was completely manhandled by Peppers. Was he injured coming into the game???? Just wondering? I did, but did you? Peppers was lined up at LE most the night taking advantage of rookie RT Loadholt. Commentators even mentioned it. The guy beating McKinnie all night was Evertte Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 In all likelihood, McKinnie would have washed out of here like Williams did, because the Bills have sucked at developing offensive talent this decade. Name the last homegrown offensive player to make 3 or more pro bowls (or is on his way towards doing so)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 But as a #4 overall pick McKinnie would still be considered a royal bust. We would not care one lick that Williams would be out of the NFL. We still would have drafted a hunk of crap at #4. Speaking of, how is last year's #2 overall pick working out for the Rams? PTR PTR I think you need to get your head examined. You say some really absurd things. McKinnie will be starting at left tackle in the NFL for many more years. A bust? Nonsense. You were wrong about defending the Williams pick at the time. We get it. So what? It's over, there are no points gained either way. Be a smart fan, not an idiot. And for the guy that started this thread.....seriously, give it up. Nobody in their right mind buys this argument. He got benched because he was having a bad game against arguably the most talented(but enigmatic) DE in the NFL. Rather than trying to defend the bad picks of this organization, fans should just face the facts. The Bills have made some poor choices in round 1 this decade. When you can't protect your QB, you draft the LT, not the RT. When you can't stop the run, you draft the DT, not the SS. When your line play is poor, you don't use the #11 pick on a RB. When you can hardly stock your roster with NFL quality players, don't trade up to fill positions of need with players who don't warrant being drafted there(McCargo,Poz). And for chrissake, don't be afraid to trade back. The last time this team traded back in round 1 they ended up with Clements/Schobel/Henry/Jennings on day 1. The excuses people have made to defend this organization are ridiculous. Yeah, there are exceptions to the rule. But the teams that successfully overdraft easily filled positions are teams that already have their foundations in place. And lastly, don't let your good players get away in free agency so that you have to waste another 1st round pick to draft a player that MIGHT in 3 years be as good as the guy you are letting go. That is retarded. Either sign them before hand, or pay the market rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 In all likelihood, McKinnie would have washed out of here like Williams did, because the Bills have sucked at developing offensive talent this decade. Name the last homegrown offensive player to make 3 or more pro bowls (or is on his way towards doing so)? If it were that simple, they would have made it elsewhere. Williams was a bad pick initially because the Bills needed a LT. People forget that Jonas Jennings had an outstanding season at RT as a rookie. Jennings wasn't nearly the same player at LT. McKinnie was the obvious pick. Williams was obviously not going to be a LT and also had a balkly knee. RT's are also much easier to find, and making an unproven RT the highest paid player in your franchise history was silly. THEN, Williams washed out COMPLETELY because he didn't have the motivation/desire. Donahoe let his ego get in the way. He didn't appreciate people pointing out that McKinnie was the OBVIOUS pick for about 6 months prior to draft day. He would get on the radio, someone would mention McKinnie and he would get bent. In November, McKinnie was actually on the cover of SHOUT magazine because it was that obvious that he was the top prospect at the critical LT position that the Bills were desperately in need of filling. It really could not have been more clear. McKinnie didn't materialize into a HOF'er, but he has been good to very good for a long time and will be for longer still. What is truly disgusting is that they lucked into another top LT in Peters and an entirely different group of management douchebags blew that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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