Canadian Bills Fan Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 I see that this board is split 50/50 on Clausen If we list pros and cons about him I wonder which side would end up with more. I'll start Pro: Accurate passer, and can play in cold weather I know their are more but I will let other post them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clip Smith Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 "When it comes time for the Bills to pick.....and it comes down to an offensive lineman or Clausen.....that decision is going to leave the Bills in..........quite.....a pickle." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartshan-83 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/index.php?...t&p=1661790 PROS: - Strong Arm - Surgical accuracy - Cold-weather tested (sorry Senator... ) - Pro-style offense - 3-year starter - Moxie CONS: - He's from California so he's obviously the same as RJ, JP and Trent - He had spiky hair when he was 18 - He played at ND so he's obviously the same as Rick Mirer or Brady Quinn Bottom line, he is the most mechanically sound, pro-offense learned, spotlight tested, highest ceiling QB in this draft. If we have the chance to draft him, we do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/index.php?...t&p=1661790 PROS: - Strong Arm - Surgical accuracy - Cold-weather tested (sorry Senator... ) - Pro-style offense - 3-year starter - Moxie CONS: - He's from California so he's obviously the same as RJ, JP and Trent - He had spiky hair when he was 18 - He played at ND so he's obviously the same as Rick Mirer or Brady Quinn Bottom line, he is the most mechanically sound, pro-offense learned, spotlight tested, highest ceiling QB in this draft. If we have the chance to draft him, we do it. I am starting to lean towards that way also. With Locker not coming out, Clausen is the best qb on the board. People will point to his win/loss record as some kind of negative but it is not his fault the defense could not stop anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/index.php?...t&p=1661790 PROS: - Strong Arm - Surgical accuracy - Cold-weather tested (sorry Senator... ) - Pro-style offense - 3-year starter - Moxie CONS: - He's from California so he's obviously the same as RJ, JP and Trent - He had spiky hair when he was 18 - He played at ND so he's obviously the same as Rick Mirer or Brady Quinn Bottom line, he is the most mechanically sound, pro-offense learned, spotlight tested, highest ceiling QB in this draft. If we have the chance to draft him, we do it. Nice analysis. But this is a moot point. He'll be long gone before #11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 "When it comes time for the Bills to pick.....and it comes down to an offensive lineman or Clausen.....that decision is going to leave the Bills in..........quite.....a pickle." Clip Smith, heh? Looks like Gregg Williams to me! She's little in the middle, but she's got MUCH BACK! WOAH! YE OLE is on FIRE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartshan-83 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 People will point to his win/loss record as some kind of negative but it is not his fault the defense could not stop anybody. Correct. This is a slightly different point, but the fact that Clausen was statistically superior to Colt McCoy in just about every QB category just goes to show how important W/L is to public perception. For all the supposed "ND Attention" Clausen received, the bottom line is he was not even considered in the Heisman or All-American discussion. All because ND's defense couldn't stop a high school team. And please believe, if ND had UT's defense, they'd be getting ready for Alabama right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Moot point if the Bills keep winning pointless games. Whether you're a Clausen believer or not, a guy with his talent goes top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Clausen will never be a Bill You can decide for yourself if that is a pro or con. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 I think Clausen goes #1 overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 I think Clausen goes #1 overall. Casey Clausen...... or JIMMY Clausen (aka JIMMY FOOTBALL HERE!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Correct. This is a slightly different point, but the fact that Clausen was statistically superior to Colt McCoy in just about every QB category just goes to show how important W/L is to public perception. For all the supposed "ND Attention" Clausen received, the bottom line is he was not even considered in the Heisman or All-American discussion. All because ND's defense couldn't stop a high school team. And please believe, if ND had UT's defense, they'd be getting ready for Alabama right now. Not necessarily saying that Mccoy is better than Clausen but Mccoy beats him in pretty much every statistical category (carreer completion percentage, Career QB rating, Total Yds, Total TDs, etc) so your argument does not hold water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxelRipper Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 buffalo and rookie qb's havent mixed very well... we need experience. someone like Mike Vick /senator impression Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazie Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Clausen would be akin to next years TO if he were available: an unknown quantity on the field but someone who would give hope to the faithful and sell ducets for Brandon. A certain pick if he's avail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartshan-83 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Not necessarily saying that Mccoy is better than Clausen but Mccoy beats him in pretty much every statistical category (carreer completion percentage, Career QB rating, Total Yds, Total TDs, etc) so your argument does not hold water. This season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceisloose78 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 And please believe, if ND had UT's defense, they'd be getting ready for Alabama right now. Please, I like Clausen, but to say this? This team lost to Michigan, Uconn, Pitt and Navy. They could barely squeak by michigan state, purdue, and washington. To say he has no cons is also ridiculous he has never won a big game, he has never had an 8 win season and he had the game in his hands against USC and he didn't come through. The kid has a tremendous arm and a lot of upside but come on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrudginglyPessimistic Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 I doubt the fans and followers of this team are likely to be any where near mature enough to deal with the impacts of spending a #1 on a QB be it Clausen or whoever. In particular I know that the local media led by WGR and Jerry Sullivan will in no way allow an athlete the time to develop that even the best QBs take to develop. Even the best I have seen at the position Peyton Manning took his team from logging 3-13 to draft him was to fast forward to be 3-13 the next year. This put them in a position to then draft Edgerrin James, and with another first rounder Marvin Harrison they finally became a potent offense. Yet, despite all this star powers it took the best GM out there constantly doing his waiver wire and negotiation magic to still have to go off the salary cap books and get one of the best D minded HCs in the league to finally win the SB. After an 0 for the decade playoff run there is no way I can see that this team and it followers will be able to maintain in any sustainable way a team which depends on a young first rounder to be the new "savior". My sense is this team is going to need to go with a vet QB who can deal with the idiocy of a media who will be champing at the bit to create a new QB controversy. If we take Clausen he is going to need to be part of a winning team immediately and this team does not even have a Ray Lewis to allow a Flacco time to develop that a young QB will need. I think taking Clausen is a non-starter for this team where it is right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 And please believe, if ND had UT's defense, they'd be getting ready for Alabama right now. No question. Conversely, had they played w/o JC this season, they might have been 2-10. My understanding is the Rams have the first pick, so if they take Suh, it'll be a bit of a crapshoot as to who gets Clausen. Browns, Skins and Raiders would all be in the mix. As would Seattle if they jumped ahead of us. Please, I like Clausen, but to say this? This team lost to Michigan, Uconn, Pitt and Navy. Just curious...did you actually watch any of those games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Trooth Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Clausen's a loser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartshan-83 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Please, I like Clausen, but to say this? This team lost to Michigan, Uconn, Pitt and Navy. They could barely squeak by michigan state, purdue, and washington. To say he has no cons is also ridiculous he has never won a big game, he has never had an 8 win season and he had the game in his hands against USC and he didn't come through. The kid has a tremendous arm and a lot of upside but come on Look, I am unabashedly pimping him here...I admit this. But as KD alluded to, you clearly didn't watch any of those games this year. Clausen, far from being the reason we lost or didn't blow out bad teams, was actually one of the few reasons we weren't embarrassed all season long. When healthy, he was the best player on the field in every game. If there is one knock on him, is that he stupidly chose Notre Dame over Southern Cal, where he surely would have won 10+ games and garnered far more national praise. As it is, he didn't lose much though as he will be the 1st QB taken, likely in the top 5. And the USC game, you definitely didn't watch that one...Clausen put the ball right where it was supposed to be and the receiver slipped coming out of his turn. If Buffalo has the good fortune to draft him, it will be the positive step out of this decade-long nightmare we've all suffered through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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