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I have been one the most ardent supporters of GETTING RID of Greer at the end of the season, but his play this season has been incredibly solid. I'm starting to think maybe we McGee may be the odd man out of our CB rotation next season.

Without Edwards we have no offense whatsoever. This is a dumb thread. He made a couple of bad plays but it hard to fault him when he is the only one on offense that has any responsibility. Our running game is absolutely horrid, not one good thing to say about it. Maybe you forgot what our passing game looked like before Edwards took over the job.

Well, the Bills have a good relationship with the Colts; wouldn't be surprised if a behind-the-scenes agreement between GMs was made regarding this trade. Possibly contingent upon whether or not the Gonzalez trade went down or not. I still think the Bills thought that they were going to get him, right up until the trade deadline. It actually makes a lot of sense. We need a TE, but we aren't in the position to just be giving out two draft picks like that. McCargo, 3rd, 5th for Gonzalez, 4th is probably what the Bills wanted to have happen. The Colts failed him because we had an agreement with them. This is pure speculation but it wouldn't be surprising in the least.

Players still on the team acquired under Tom Donahoe: Ryan Denney Lee Evans Jabari Greer Chris Kelsay Rian Lindell JP Losman Terrence McGee Brian Moorman Roscoe Parrish Jason Peters Duke Preston Josh Reed Aaron Schobel George Wilson(I may be wrong on this one). That's 9 starters, not too bad. Our top 3 WRs, top 2 DEs, top 2 CBs were drafted by Donahoe. The FAs that he signed for the most part played well for us. IMO, he made 3 major mistakes that ultimately led to him being fired. 1. letting go Pat Williams, 2. missing on too many 1st round picks, 3. Not finding a QB. Going 3-13 and not getting a franchise player hurts his case. So does trading a 1st round pick for a player who only played 3 years here. I've always felt that Donahoe half-assed the rebuilding project that was so necessary after John Butler left. Who's fault is that? It might not all be his but, it is his responsibility. After that season, we were in no position to be trading away 1st rounders. We should have been stockpiling picks, so that if you miss on a few, you still have some young players to fall back on. We did not commit to rebuilding and ultimately that came back to kill us. There was no real foundation of talent, and the gap between our top players and reserves was large in both talent level and age. And he missed on the OL, drafted two running backs with first day picks in 3 seasons, and two WRs in the second round when it was obvious that we needed talented OL. I think Pat Williams speaks for itself.

I think in the St. Louis and San Francisco cases, they had potential candidates already on their staff, Jim Haslett and Mike Singleltary, respectively, and it's almost like an extended interview for them. Raiders' situation is pretty unique IMO.

Bills got JP Losman. Bills lost 1st, 2nd, and 5th It still sucks but is no where near being two 1sts. If the Bills traded the 13th overall pick in that years draft and their next year's 1st rounder to move up into the top 5 to take XXXXX player, then we would have spent 2 1st rounders.

We actually run better statistically to the right side behind Walker and Butler. Our running game will improve when Fowler is not the starting center. He lets too much penetration through.

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Dre Bly >>>>> Jabari Greer. Jeez, I like the guy, but he gets way overvalued on this board. He MIGHT get a contract like Jason David got from the Saints, but any team that gave him a big deal Greer has 2 career INTs. David has 11. And Bly has 38. Greer is a ho-hum player and will not be a major priority for anyone in the offseason.

I think Greer is playing well, thats not the point. McKelvin is a game-breaking CB. When he is ready to start, which might not be this season, are starting CBs would be McGee, Youboty, and McKelvin. Its just a numbers game. Greer is the poorest tackler of the group and he is not playing so well that he could not be jumped on the depth chart by players that are more talented than he is. Having Greer on the team right now is great because it is giving both Youboty and McKelvin, who are our 2 most talented CBs, a barometer of play to surpass if they want to get on the field. That is his purpose: to push McKelvin and Youboty to realize their talent and play better.

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He made some great tackles today, especially that one on third down in fourth quarter...on Reggie Williams, I think. To answer your question, though, I would think as soon as McKelvin starts to show that he can be the nickelback, Greer would be bumped down to the 4th CB. He is playing so well, I don't think the Bills would want to take him off the field. Plus he may be the best tackling CB that we have. Its amazing what some confidence can do for you as a player.

I don't see why we would keep 3 QBs on the active roster. Hamden or Baker will go to the PS and effectively be the 3rd QB. JMO. It will probably come down to James, Hamden, Huggins, and Felton for the last spot. I think we would keep James out of all those guys.

why is trent green still playing?

That list represents the likelihood of the player making the team. McKelvin, McGee, and Corner are locks. Youboty, Greer, and James are not. The Bills are begging for Youboty to outplay Greer this camp. They like corners who are physical and can tackle well, something Greer is not. Yes, with the talent we had LAST YEAR in the secondary, Greer would be a lock to make the team. But, he can't tackle and isn't that good of a cover corner to make up for that weakness in his game, and with the added talent to the secondary and Youboty seemingly figuring it out, he is definitely not a lock to make the team. Plus he does not play well on special teams either.

That does not say much really. Listen, I think we can all agree that McGee, McKelvin, and Corner are not going to be cut. They brought James in to play the nickel spot, a position that Greer and Youboty cannot play. If Corner plays well enough to beat out James, then I think James will be cut. If McKelvin shows that he can handle a starting job, then Greer will be cut. If Youboty keeps playing the way he played last night, then Greer will be cut. All that being said, I could see it playing out with either James, Greer, or Youboty being waived, we just have a lot of players there. And now that I think about it more, if Youboty plays well enough to not be moved, then James will probably be the player that goes. They could just move McGee inside on nickel situations.

We are not in a position to trade corners who are playing well. That is not a sensible reaction to a THIRD YEAR player with alot of talent who seems to be playing well. Our corners for this season, in order of how shocked I will be if they don't make the team: McGee McKelvin Corner James Youboty Greer Youboty and Greer are fighting for the same spot. I think Youboty will win it.

Why should players be vilified for not honoring their contracts, when they can be cut at any time and not receive any of the money. No guaranteed contracts = players on smaller deals are working on a year-to-year basis. This is a setup for next offseason negotiations, IMO.

Aren't we one of the teams interested in LeCharles Bentley? This would open up a roster spot for him. Unless he was signed recently and I didn't hear about it.

Worst offensive line era I ever saw for the Bills. The Mauk years, that guy was absolutely terrible. Why were two guys not on Kearse all game long? He killed us. What a great defense. This really was a good game.

We won't carry 2 FBs or 3 QBs, so that probably gets us to 53 players right there

I'm ok with Whittle, but I thought he wasn't re-signed. Chambers is fine. One more versatile, average lineman would be cool. I think Preston gets cut in training camp.

Drafting Corner probably means Greer is not resigned after this season. Or maybe McGee is let go or traded after this season. Just hear me out. If all goes to the Bill's plan, McKelvin moves to the starting lineup, probably our number one CB. Next year Corner takes over full-time nickel duties. Greer will have two years of starting experience when his contract is up, and the Bills will be looking at having either McGee or Greer being the fourth cornerback. The Bills will not have a CB making starter money in the 4th CB slot. It would be bad management. Greer is in a tough spot. If he starts this year, he probably prices himself out of resigning with the Bills(unless they pick him to stay and move McGee). If he doesn't start and is dropped down the depth chart this season, he probably doesn't get resigned either. The concept of McGee getting traded after this season sounds crazy until you really look at the situation. But this staff for some reason seems to have very little faith in Greer's abilities. I don't know. The Bills were very down on their cornerback situation and I don't want to just assume that it was all about Youboty. The CB situation could obviously play out differently because there are many X-factors involved in the situation. Youboty could mature into a no. 2 guy(he has the talent), making both McGee and Greer expendable. Corner or McKelvin progress slowly(certainly a fair possibility). Greer or McGee play so well that the Bills are forced to keep them in the lineup(definitely not out of the question).

He's not a great blocker and is small for the position. The Bills want a old school FB, a pure blocker. I thought they would go after Mike Cox from GT, but this guy sounds like what they are looking for. And you gotta love that leadership potential.

I'm curious about what happens at center and TE. Both Teyo Johnson and Courtney Anderson are really big receiving targets who could surprise. They must have faith in Fowler because I don't really see anyone on the roster who will challenge him for the starting job. As far as FS goes, I have faith that Simpson will return and make good on his promising rookie season.