Jerry Jabber

IMO Schobel & Evans are #2 at their positions. Both would be better if they had a more dominating player playing with them, which is why I feel they are overpaid.

LMAO!!!

I'm not knocking the guy for getting injured, that's part of the game. I'm just stating his stats when he did play and what he got paid for his time this season. When he did play, he didn't have good stats and you don't play that kind of money to a player for that kind of production.

Schobel's 2008 salary: $8,729,795 2008 stats: 5 games played, 19 tackles and 1 sack average per game: 3.8 tackles, 0.20 sacks average salary per games played: $1,745,959 IMO opinion, Schobel, Kelsay, Evans and Dockery all got overpaid. With all the money we're giving to these guys, this might prevent us from bringing in good FA's (like Haynesworth, Peppers, Jennings, Houshmanzadeh, Suggs...etc).

After watching 3 years of agonizing Jauron Ball, I've come to this conclusion, we could have the 85' Bears defense and the 07' Patriots offense on this team, and Jauron would still screw it up and we would not win a Superbowl let alone get there.

I agree, with the price of the NFL Sunday ticket continally rising every year, it's not worth it to see Jauron ball every week. Like you, I will continue to support the team, but won't watch them as long as Dickie is the HC.

For some reason, I can't add a poll to this topic. I can't suffer through anymore of this. I didn't like the choice of Jauron in the first place, but was willing to give him a chance. Before this season started, I felt this was Jauron year to prove something, there were no more excuses. If we didn't make the playoffs, then Jauron should be fired. Well, it turned out much worse than many of us would have thought before the season started.

I hope everyone has a safe and Merry Christmas!! In the words of everyone's favorite Bills fan, Tim Russert...GO BILLS!!!

...and a new owner!

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0-8? When did we get a 5th team in the division?

C.Biscuit sums it up good: "For the sake of argument: In Tom Brady's 2nd season as a starter, he averaged 6.3 yards per pass attempt with 37 completions of 20+ yards and 3 40+ completions. http://www.nfl.com/players/tombrady/...e?id=BRA371156 Edwards, in his 2nd season (in about 12 games), averages 7.4 ypa and has 35 20+ yard and 5 40+ yard completions. http://www.nfl.com/players/trentedwards/ca...ts?id=EDW720778 Edwards is a 2nd year QB not a seasoned vet, so he's going to make some mistakes.

How about holes in the pass rush? I'm not worried about the secondary. This unit is young and will only get better. Before the game, our pass defense was ranked at 11th. If we had a decent pass rush, we'd have a Top 5 pass defense, plus you'd see a lot more INT's from this group.

Thanks! Great points you've made as well.

There are a lot of teams that think Schobel is a very good player and would be willing to trade possibly a 3rd rounder (and maybe another 2nd day draft pick).

The main reason why we don't see the deep ball that much is because every team we play against focuses on Lee Evans. The last few weeks, Josh Reed has been leading the team in receptions & yards. IMO Evans is a 1b receiver (meaning he's better than a #2, but not good enough for a true #1 WR). Evans relies on his speed, when that's gone, he'll probably be another Peerless Price. Maybe Steve Johnson can fill the void and become a legit #2 WR next season? Who knows, but any way you look at it, teams don't fear any of of WR's except for Evans, which is why they double team him & can stack up defenders close. If we had a true #1 WR, you would see more deep passes and also see more yards in the run game, which we saw in 2002 with Moulds, Price & Henry.

With Crowell being placed on IR, the Bills sent him a statement that he is no longer wanted. IMO, I would like to see us try and trade Schobel. Schobel is good against the run, but is an average pass rusher. IMO, he is not worth the $8+ million dollar contract. If we can get a better DE like Peppers or Suggs then I would be willing to part ways (via trade) with Schobel. Either way, we have no pass rush. It would be nice to cut loose Denney & Kelsay and replace them with better DE's. We'll see what the offseason brings. Greer will most likely be gone. I like Youboty, but i'm starting to wonder if his frame can't take the physical pounding of the NFL. McKelvin & Corner did very well yesterday and I can see both of them in the starting lineup next year. IMO, offseason needs: 2 DE's OLB TE C #1 WR

What's a Broncho?

He's a hard hitting safety, plus he made a great play to force a fumble yesterday. Maybe if we had a decent pass rush, we'd see more out of Whitner.

If it weren't for the coaching blunders in the Browns & last Jets game, we'd be 9-6 right now.

Even though Cutler threw for over 300 yards against our secondary, the main stat people should be concerned with is 0 passing TD's allowed, 1 INT (should have been 2 if it wasn't for a bad penalty). All of that with virtually no pass rush.

Before the game, our pass defense was ranked 11th. Imagine how our pass defense would be if we had a decent pass rush?

I agree. Hate to say it, but I hope the Dolphins take the division, that way it stings even more to Ralph Wilson seeing how a proven winner like Parcells can take a 1-15 team to an 11-5 division winning team the next year.

You might be right. I know both guys were making plays, plus they're only 1 number off of each other (27, 28). Either way, complete B.S. call against Stroud since he was being double-teamed.

Jauron & his assistants has costs us many games in his tenure with terrible play calls. Season opener 2006 vs Pats, 1. run play on 4 & 1, instead of kicking a FG. 2. Having Loseman attempt a pass in the endzone that cost us a safety. Season opener 2007 vs the Broncos, trying a deep pass when they should have been trying to run the clock out. MNF vs Dallas, 1. having Edwards attempt a fade pass which got intercepted. 2. Playing prevent defense which let Dallas get into FG range to win the game. The Blizzard game vs the Browns. Not letting Lindell attempt a FG, when in FG range twice, especially since Phil Dawson made 2 FG's (1 over 40 yards). Trying a screen pass to Jackson on 4 & 5. This years Browns game, settling for a 47 yard FG with over 30 seconds left on the clock, instead of trying to get a closer FG and take more time off the clock. Last week vs the Jets, don't even need to mention it. Plus, if you haven't read my thread about Reggie Corner & the Bills failing to realize the talent they have until someone gets injured, then read that as another reason why Jauron & Co. (except Bobby April) should get canned. Finally after a month of it being cold & snowy, Jauron has the Bills practicing outside.