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I'm fine with tagging him despite his disdain for staying in Buffalo...Don't get me wrong...But I think the Bills have been pretty vocal in the past that they want players that want to be here...Byrd clearly...And I mean crystal clearly...does not want to be here...So I would not be surprised to see the Bills simply move on...

Maybe so...But it's not unheard of...Cliff Avril took less last year in order to play where he wanted to play...Byrd could always do the same...

"Everyone?" I'm pretty sure that has been mentioned in this thread, and going back a year now concerning Byrd, about a million times...There are plenty of Bills fans that have felt this way all along...Myself included...

Hard to imagine the Bills would not be doing their due-diligence in this matter...I'm as negative about this team as anybody at times...But exhausting every trade option seems like it would be a given... Or maybe I should say...It better be a given...

Trade scenarios have to begin with the agreement by Byrd that he will sign long term with that team...That has to be kept in mind...My guess is Byrd and his agent know exactly where he wants to be, and that is a very short list...Then they have a couple other teams that he would consider if the money is right...That makes working out a deal REAL difficult...Not impossible...But difficult...Especially when the other party in this, Parker, may not want to be accommodating knowing his best case scenario is getting Byrd to the open market...

Makes sense...Though I am a bit surprised he would want to stay on the left coast...But still...Up and coming team and a HC he is familiar with...

Marrone has already touched on this...He sounded less than enthusiastic about Searcy starting...They want to keep Searcy in his current role...Next men up are Duke Williams and Meeks...Barring injury Searcy will not be the starter at either Safety position...

If Byrd does not want to go to Cleveland, and who in their right mind could blame him for that, this trade scenario is completely dead in the water... Pretty much spot on...

Winning changes everything...And yes this is a vicious cycle we are in...

My guess is...right or wrong...they're just tired of dealing with it, and they want to move on...

I think the safest bet in this whole thing is that when it's all said and done, and this whole thing plays out...Jairus Byrd will not be a very popular person in WNY... Fair enough...we'll see if we ever get the figure on those last years... I still say that reality is what it is...Byrd and his Agent may want to look good in the total dollars area and all that...But in the end I think he'll get a similar deal to this one, and he'll be cut after the first 3 years anyway...

I understand that and I'm guessing you're just assuming the $4 mil right? And yes it is the point...The point being even if it was $10 mil per year if the guaranteed money is mostly gone he's never going to see the end of that deal... $30 million over the 1st three is still impressive, and beyond that Byrd and his agent know damned well he's going to be on the other side of 30 and prime picking for a team that needs Cap relief...So it may matter to Byrd as far as the overall number...But if most of the guaranteed money is in the first three years that's what really matters...

It has to be a team Byrd is willing to sign with long-term...That's the catch here...Some teams are immediately removed because of Cap issues...Others because they don't need a FS...The list gets small fast...

That would be a major douche-bag move on the Bills part...However I'm fully in favor of it...

Well...$30 million over the first 3 years for a Safety that will be 30 when those 3 years are up is pretty darn close to top dollar...No question the final years could be less...But who is going to want to pay Byrd $10 million per year when he's 31 anyway?

Exactly... Even if it turns out that you want to move on and use the money tied up in the tag, you just remove the tag at that time and let him move on...If he's going to leave regardless why not play it all the way out? The Bills don't owe Byrd a thing...His worst nightmare is to spend another season tagged in Buffalo...So why not play that hand and force him to consider teams he may not be as comfortable with than his preferences, but more comfortable with than staying in Buffalo for another year?...

As good as Carpenter was that would make zero sense with Hopkins still on the roster unless of course Hopkins injury is chronic...Which is hard to imagine for a kid his age...

From everything I can find..unless it's changed...a team can drop the tag...I'm sure there is a deadline, but probably not well into the off season...

Exactly...They were 2-3 without Byrd...And 4-7 with him...They did average giving up 3 points less with Byrd, but that stat is a bit skewed due to the Miami shutout...Take out the Miami shutout and the points per game are basically the same...I know the Bills are a better Defense with Byrd...But are they $9 mil per year better?...No...

And the fact that the Broncos have a true #1 in D. Thomas, one of the best young TE's in J. Thomas, and arguably the best slot WR in Welker...

Agreed...It's something like this...Basically the teams that would be willing to give up something for Byrd have been told he wont sign there anyway...The Bills don't want to tie up all the cap space for a player that wont play for the whole season...So you just move on...

I'm guessing the Bills will look towards their own roster first with the extra cash...Securing Dareus and Aaron Williams should become the priority now... Nicks is too much of an unknown...He's a major underachiever and there is plenty of opinion out there that he is a Prima-donna...Plus he has a hard time staying healthy...Decker is going to command huge money and the question is how good will he be as a #1?...

I felt it was there all along... Though I do have to say this...If it's just a matter of Byrd not wanting to be in Buffalo because he wants to go to a contender, preferably closer to home...I can't really blame the guy for it...We all want what we want...And no matter how we all feel, the Bills as an organization (especially on the field) have given Byrd plenty of reasons to want to play elsewhere...

Well...Here's a hypothetical...Byrd turns down a massive deal from the Bills averaging more than $9 million per year...The Bills are 100% convinced Byrd no longer want to be in Buffalo and renting him for another year is futile...The Bills immediately look for potential trade partners...They find a couple teams that would be willing to give up at least a 2nd round pick...But when they go back to Byrd he flatly refuses to sign with those teams long term...And the teams that he wants to sign with are unwilling to give up a Draft pick for him...Those teams are concerned because they know he's already turning down a massive offer from the Bills and they don't want to give up a high Draft pick for the right to pay Byrd premium cash... In the end I would not be at all surprised to see Byrd take a Cliff Avril-type deal with a contender...I think he simply wants out of Buffalo and wants to play where he wants to play...

I can't see Carrington wanting anything more than a one year deal...He's still young, and coming off the injury I don't think he'll command nearly what he will in the open market after playing a full season...I'm a bit higher on Carrington than some...I think he's really, really good and I'm guessing he'll be in line for a big payday if he stays healthy for 2014...