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You talking Wall of Voodoo? Pretty sure that was 70's/ early 80's, but I may be confusing some of that with the Vapors. Edit: thanks to the power of not having to remember much of anything due to the internet, Mexican radio was '82 and The Vapors were 1980. Do I sense 2 obvious entries for the 'Mt. Rushmore of the 1980's' thread?

I had a roommate once who was addicted to Crash Test Dummies. I came through it alive and am not addicted to Crash Test Dummies... amazingly I can't even name a single song. He also watched Tombstone for like 50 straight days, nonstop, no lie - film major, and he was studying every last nuance I suppose. I still like Tombstone, but I only caught bits and pieces in passing during his psycho-hunker-down.

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Crap I spaced Bjork. I'd imagine she'd be very much front and center on the Mts. Rushmore. Fruitful writing: And that OH MY GOD voice:

On that note, cramming in an extra face because it's just soooo 90's: or is it more 2022/23 as we watch a stupidly-armed nation blast another into nonexistence in the name of... nothing.

My Mt. Rushmore is maybe squeezing in too many faces, but front and center is Dolores O'Riordan. Splendid, splendid, splendid:

Motoring on, PJ Harvey deserves her own spot entirely, but this song is just too gorgeous to pass up: and on the concept of gorgeous, I don't think there will ever be a song which can take me to a more perfect place in this world: Except maybe My Generation off Live at Leeds, but I'm a romantic by nature...

Catching a couple opinions, or mostly non-opinions, from folks who found their music hey-day sometime earlier than the subject matter makes me realize how little of a ***** I give about the music of 2023. Honestly I think it's with good reason (most of it looks like low-rent, technology propped show-business to me), BUT. It also means I may be falling prey to the old, 'they just don't make 'em like they usta' syndrome. Maybe some adventurous sot with decent taste can start a Mt. Rushmore of the 20Somethings thread to whap the old and ancient around here across our noggins. I'll hold my breath, and in the mean time how about a 90's Mt Rushmore of the gals. Sid had Nancy, grunge had Hole: This one's kind of a B-side concept. Not sure the band belongs anywhere near a Mt. Rushmore based upon overall output, but the sound absolutely does. This song just bleeds the finery of the 1990's, and Harriet Wheeler's voice is perfectly stripped down and stunning:

That's like me saying Herman's Hermits was the pinnacle of 60's rock. Though Mrs. Brown does have a lovely daughter.

Back by popular request, I'll motor on. There's a choice between a literal s%^*-ton of bands which rose to produce some magnificent music in the 1980's, but found a widespread audience in the 90's. I'm going Nick Cave- both Magnificently 90's, and timeless. "But how can you old people listen to music that doesn't say, "you're beautiful" in every verse?? Well, that's a good question, SaraJonnie. We were ignorant back then. 4th and goal to go- this is a great piece of the 90's. What the #%^* led to a generation of music actually LESS challenging to the music of the predecessors is beyond me:

It's about as possible to nail down 4 bands which define 90's music as it is to define the 60's by 4 bands. It's all taste in how you define something, maybe something more ethereal and feelings and emotions. The Mt. Rushmore to me has to start with For anyone watching MTV the moment that video was played... Everything 80's was GONE. All the New Wave was no longer relevant and EVERY Hair-Metal band on the planet, simultaneously, shat their collective pants because they knew their careers were... OVER. F%#^Ing OVER. It was a *^+=ing glorious day... literally 5 minutes that changed everything. For me, number 2 that defined 'The 90's' was this band- something about their sound that set the stage for everything to come. Mascis set a 90's soundstage earlier, but this later pop hit was the most accessible (I do love this song and totally miss the way the air felt when it came out- I really hope there'e something unifying like this, some undefinable feeling of sound, purpose, or maybe just a fashion statement like Dr. Marten's, I dunno... something for the current and upcoming younger folks to make then feel like we're all in this together in our own oddball and unique ways:

- mixed greens type lettuce is probably best. Toss it first before adding the croutons and sunflower seeds. ) and don't forget a couple garbanzo beans.

2 parts olive oil, 1 part red wine vinegar. 1 part water. Add salt to your liking and season from there. Add mustard? Seeds work great. I haven't tried dijon, but I'd bet it'd work. Thyme- pretty good. Shallot- basically a requisite- chopped brutally fine with some extended slivers left intact. Throw oregano, marjoram, basil, whatever you feel like from there. Home baked croutons (stupid easy), whatever vegetables you'd like to add, and a bit of bleu cheese on top. Pretty good.

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I watched Washington cross the Delaware Live with Walter Cronkite! The way he commanded a rowboat, I knew he could never tell a lie.

F#*% China. 4 billion people can't figure out how not to oppress themselves.

It's an interesting line... but it's a very distinct line which has been blurred recently- and by blurred, I mean eviscerated. By all rights, as Americans, we expect our presidents to act simultaneously both upright in upholding the virtuosity and ambassadorship of our ideals of freedom and equality by law and principle to the rest if the world, yet also be a cunning negotiator of the self-interested ship we call America- in the shark-infested international waters this country will always navigate. Where that line stops, and always should stop, is a very clear point where an elected leader abuses the trust of the American people internally. In Nixon's case, Nixon wanted power. Nixon attained power. He did things both commendable and crappy on the national, international, and financial stages, but where he absolutely, without question, f%*#ed up, was in attempting to abuse the American electorate. You can attempt to play some revisionist political game and 'normalize' what he did... maybe the more recently defeated incumbent makes what Nixon did look like peanuts, but Nixon fu#%*d up. BAD. To his credit, he knew he crossed the line of our democracy. An invisible, but very sacred line in our pursuit to form a more perfect union. I don't hate Richard Nixon, because he owned up to what he did wrong, but there is no fu%*#ng way I could admire the man, forgive the man, or give him a pass- because I'm also not a %*#*ing moron. We're an odd country, like any other country. We were founded upon concepts of trust, and from day one that trust has been continuously undermined by the self-interest of the privileged and powerful. The rest of us fib to ourselves in order to keep the ideal, the hope... the belief in ourselves as a species, moving forward. I still think it's a worthy goal, however flawed, but a fib is not a lie, cheat, theft, scam, graft or scheme. That's what Nixon did to the American people, and anyone willing to accept that can take the next Aeroflot to Siberia as far as I'm concerned.

ralphpile '23

Never a doubt. No lie.

Lost my Pop in October. It's only vaguely starting to become a part of 'normal life' at this point. We adapt. As we need to. My heart goes out to you and all of your family.