Saint Doug

What was the injury? A bulging disc?

I'm not blaming Tony G for this one. If Peterson had the stones and really wanted to trade him, he would have. What does Peterson care where Gonzo plays. Peterson's #1 job is to make the team better, not to swaddle their players, especially ones that don't want to play for their team. As far as I know, Tony G doesn't have a no trade clause. This is Peterson's fault for letting Tony G make the call. This stinks of when Reiger let Hasek trade himself.

This is an excellent post. It is very strange that this was found now. People do not get "routine" MRIs of the spine unless they are having symptoms. You cannot see a disc herniation on plain x-ray and CT. The reason routine MRIs are not done, as Promo points out, is that a lot of us would have disc herniations. They mean nothing unless they are cause symptoms; pin/needle in legs, urinary/bowel incontinence, lower extremity weakness, or radiculopathy (shooting pains down legs due to herniation pressing against a lower extremity nerve). Therefore, there must have been some symptom(s) he was having. He reports the symptom to the Colts, then they get an MRI, then he is sent back here. Why didn't the Bills know about this? Either he was hiding the symptoms from Bills or the Bills knew about it and have already done their own MRI. Or, this is all smoke screen and there is something totally different wrong. Either way, its hard to tell if the herniated disc is really having a huge impact on his play. If it was, he could have easily had this surgically corrected. And even without surgery, depending on the severity, most of these injuries tend to self-resolve over weeks to months. As Promo points out, it's not his back, it's his heart.

No, its not. But, that is why we drafted him so high - to be a regular and efficient contributor. And I assume the people in the Bills FO have every expectation of him coming around, or else they would never have drafted him so high. Sure, he may be a big bust, but you certainly can't build a team by expecting your draft choices becoming busts. Now, I would agree that the FO probably doesn't exactly know what they have in a 7th round pick. But, if you can have faith in your first day picks, then your in trouble (see: Detroit Lions). By your logic, we should also be drafting DB on the first day because we just don't know if McKelvin pan out.

Talking about the draft in October doesn't make us any less of a fan of the Bills than you are. We're not only fans of the present bills, but also of the past and future Bills. And besides, this is a message board. It's here for fun and to speculate. We're not the ones suiting up for games on Sunday. Additionally, draft talk is the topic that is clearly displayed in the thread's title. You can chose to partake or not.

I don't think the Bills are going to see TE as a high priority in the draft. Maybe they take one in 4th or 5th. We do have Schouman and Fine that could possibly develop. In addition, I believe our passing game is going to be greatly improved next year when Hardy starts coming around. So, maybe we really don't need a pass catching TE and we already have blocking TEs. Now, our d-line is really in need. We only have 3 DTs on the roster. So, we need to add one of those in the 1st or 2nd. We also have no pass rush. Schobel may be making a bunch of tackles still, but he really hasn't been a disruptive force in the back field like he used to. In fact, due to his high salary, I wouldn't be surprised if he was released before open day next season. Remember, it's a business, he's getting old, and he makes too much money. We then also need another OLB, that is if Bowman cannot be expected to crack the lineup. Too bad he's injured. A center is another priority and I can see us taking on either 2nd or 3rd.

Whose gunna be the 4th DT now? Bring Back Anderson! I hope we at least got a 3rd. Guess we should go DT again in first round next year. I like the message this sends the younger players. It doesn't matter what round you were taken. You need to work.

I'm not trading no Leif Larsen or Corey Moore for no Tony Gonzalez!!

I'm sure Doc and Peters have sent him a couple texts.

As of 11:20 pm, Jackson is back on the roster and depth chart, but Peters is still missing from depth chart. hmmm. And why would this Bills official come out to tell us that Jackson has not been traded unless he had been reading this board? And if he was reading this board or had information about what was being said on this board, why wouldn't he also address the Peters depth chart problem?

Can anyone positively confirm that Jackson was indeed on the roster and depth chart a few days ago?

Well, NE does NEED a RB in the worst way. They are not going to win with Cassell and they know it. If they become a team that is centered around a game changing RB, they might just win. And as for Jackson sparking our offense, I agree. He has been a huge part of our offense. But, most of his spark comes from being able to catch out of the back field. I TG can replace Jackson's receptions and the some, we will be even better off. As for Jackson's running aility, Lynch has to step up. Lynch was the 1st rounder, not Jackson, so he needs to step up his game. While I hate to see Jackson leave, where the Bills really going to make an effort to sign him up long-term at theend of this year? I dunno, but there could have been a big chance of him leaving anyways. In all, I guess I have to like this trade. However, Jackson seems to be one of the only players that has shown up to each and every game.

Soprano, can you confirm any of this???

The "official" guidelines have nothing to do with an MRI. All concussion management guidelines are based on symptoms. In fact, most concussions cannot even be detected by MRI. If you do have a lesion seen by MRI, you likely have been severely injured and will likely suffer permanent neurological dysfunction. Furthermore, even if a lesion is seen by MRI, it is not likely to resolve by 1 week - more likely months. Here is a nice review article, stating the current evidence-based medicine, on the diagnosis and management of concussions: http://www.aafp.org/afp/20010915/1007.html

This is not a NFL or an NHL thing. And many people who argue that the NFL is a more violent sport. Although there is a lack of evidence, the current consensus guidelines are to restrict participation until one week after symptoms abate. Just because the NFL doesn't have a written policy doesn't mean the individual team doctors are not following the current standard of care. Sustaining an even mild blow to the head while symptoms are still present carries a significant risk of mortality, nevermind lossing one's career. The NFL is taking concussions a lot more seriously: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...07081401721.htm

And this is why they keep sending him home instead of having him stand on the sidelines or watch film. Due to the glucose metabolism mismatch, they don't even want him thinking. By thinking, your brain uses a higher amount of glucose than if you were just staring at a blank wall. If the brain has a higher metabolic need for glucose and can't actually get it, healing will be retarded.

The team will keep Trent out of practice until he has zero symptoms. They will not even have him using his brain by watching film either. If an athlete sustains even a mild hit to the head while still have symptoms of a concusion, they will likely develop Second Impact Syndrome (SIS). SIS is extremely deadly; a 50% mortality rate and a very high incidence of permanent neurologic handicap. So, we are not just talking about Trent risking his career by going back too early. Now, if he is symptom free by this Sunday, there is a small chance he may be able to play again SD. If not, it will not be too bad if he misses the SD game - probably best in the long run. At least we will able to see a fully prepared JP within Schonert's offense. Then after he fails, we can stop hearing about him.

This is likely an old injury because fresh blood appears white on CT. As it ages, it will be isodense (same density as normal brain tissue) and then later look like an empty hole (hypodensity). It's not likely they found anything earth shaking here, but just an old sports injury. Baby Joe probably has a ton of hypodensities on his brain CT.

You sir, have large stones to sit through that again. I applaud you.

This seems about right. I have no idea why we would be in the mix - it makes absolutely zero sense to add another WR. What are we going to do, keep adding WRs until the o-line begins to play better? We have an excellent group of WRs. Evans is Evans. Reed has really proved valuable this year, coming through at the right times. From what I hear, Roscoe will be coming back soon. Then, we have Hardy who is slowly learning the ropes. Even our non-WRs are good WRs; Fred Jackson. So, let's stop this nonsense right now. We will not be sacrificing anyone or even a bag of jock straps for another WR. If we add anyone to the offense, it could be a TE or o-lineman.

Anyways, they're both embarrassments to mankind and should be locked up in the same cell. They can chat it up about the good ole days; making babies and dog fights.

So maybe we should just pretend that we drafted Williams in the 1st and McCargo in the 5th and all will be well at TBD.

Why don't we just move Peters back to TE and call it a day.

That's a bunch of Malarky!