Dibs

Ditto!

Hawk

We do need DT but IMO neither is worth picking at the #8 spot. Since there is no trade down option I vote VD (I'd even prefer Huff over Lazy/potential & Surprise/I'm good--at #8). There are other qualitiy DTs in this draft & I really don't want us to waste this pick. Linky straight there: http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?id=2406023

I just don't understand how these players shoot up the draft boards when scouts have had several years to assess them & watch them play. Latest Scout Inc. assessment.... John McCargo DT | (6'1", 302, 5.19) | NORTH CAROLINA ST Scouts Grade: 75 Strengths: He's a one-gap penetrating type of defensive tackle prospect. He will fit best as a three-technique in the NFL. He shows very good initial burst out of his stance. Fires out low and with good initial power. He shows the consistent ability to penetrate and does a decent job of finding the ball once he gets through the line of scrimmage. He has good speed and overall mobility for his position. Can change directions and will pursue from behind. He is disruptive versus the run and pass. Has upside as a pass rusher if he can improve his ability to use his hands and get off of blocks. He is an intelligent and hard-working player. Was a good student in college and shows a lot of maturity for his age. Weaknesses: He is undersized. He lacks ideal height and possesses marginal bulk. He plays with a narrow base and does not show the ability to anchor versus the run. He will get pushed around by bigger linemen that lock onto his body and he struggles to hold his ground when teams run at him. He has good penetrating skills versus the run but needs to improve his array of pass rush moves in order to contribute in that facet in the NFL. He gets a lot of pressure on quarterbacks because of his ability to penetrate quickly, but he does not show ideal closing burst to finish. Durability is also a concern after missing final five regular-season games due to stress fracture to left foot suffered vs. Wake Forest. The injury required surgery and several weeks of rehabilitation. Overall: McCargo redshirted in 2002 before taking over as a fulltime starter in 2003, when he started all 13 games at DT and finished with 52 total tackles, 14 tackles for loss, 16 QB pressures and three sacks. He was an Academic All-ACC in 2004, when he started 10 of the 11 games he played and finished with 47 tackles, five TFL and 12 QB pressures. McCargo started all six games that he played in as a junior in 2005 but missed five others due to a stress fracture injury to his left foot that required surgery. Despite missing nearly half of the season, he still finished with 35 tackles, 10 TFL, seven QB pressures and one sack in 2005. McCargo was a surprise addition to the early-entry crop in this year's draft. He was completely overshadowed playing on an N.C. State defensive line that included the likes of Mario Williams and Manny Lawson. While McCargo is nowhere near the same caliber player, he was an impact starter in his own right when healthy. McCargo lacks ideal size and will never be able to consistently hold his ground versus the run. However, he has some upside for teams employing a one-gap, up-the-field type of defensive line scheme. McCargo returned to play in the season-finale as a junior, which helped to ease concerns regarding his foot injury. In our opinion, McCargo warrants consideration late on Day 1 of the 2006 draft.

BlueFire Vince Young

1) I agree 2) Huh? From what I see, most think Marv is either doing a terrible job or are wisely giving him the benefit of the doubt & will wait to see what happens. I don't think I've read a Marv can do no wrong post. ....personally, I'm waiting to see how we go before I make up my mind.... Same with JP.

Bluefire Vince Young

Fairly predictable...unless something unpredictable happens Predictable perhaps because there is a larger number of very highly rated players than usual Ngata IMO is not one of them though.

He won't play on a Saturday....he was a Jew remember. He can suit up any Sunday you like.

IN THE 2006 DRAFT, I DON'T WANT THE BILLS TO DRAFT... Haloti Ngata.....fat & lazy & doesn't fit system Brodrick Bunkley....Workout warrior, wasn't a high 1st until recently Winston Justice....is a RT & I want us to pick a LT(don't want to gamble that he can switch) Trade Up....will cost too much in this deep draft. Anyone who's name isn't Reggie Bush, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Mario Williams, AJ Hawk, Vernon Davis or Michael Huff at the #8 pick.(If none are available, trade down) Who don't you want them to draft?

These are actually 2005 Scout Inc. reports....they have an error in their system stating them as 2006.(You can tell by their experts take on their free agent list) i.e. Tutan Reyes | OG Complete player profile Full Name: Tyriq Marques Reyes... Grade: 65 Expert's Take: Reyes is very agile and has a quick first step. He is explosive with his hands and delivers a good initial punch. He takes good angles to his blocks. He can play guard or center. He is intelligent and easily handles stunts and twists inside. He usually is in good position. He has decent upper-body strength and can get movement when he has an angle block. He can mirror and slide and reset his feet in pass protection. He can work up to the second level but has difficulty sustaining contact on a moving target. He lacks the bulk and strength to anchor against a strong bull rush. He can be knocked back into the pocket. He has trouble with quick one-gap penetrators. He plays with a narrow base and doesn't finish blocks well. He occasionally loses his feet and fails to follow through. Bennie does not have a 2006 report yet since he is not a free agent. Interesting to see how his ability was lost as soon as he put on a Bills uniform.

tee hee

Wow, 45 mins gone & you are still safe. Don't come out of your bunker just yet, I'm sure the bombardment of negativity will be here soon.

...so which team are you saying gets the better value out of this theoretical deal? It is basically saying Broncos trade Plummer & a 4th for Favre.(according to value chart) Actually, the more I look at this deal, the better it seems. Broncos get their QB of the future & a chance to win now. Packers get a very good QB who can see them through the next bunch of years & 2 1st rounders to help rebuild.(plus lots of extra cap room) Favre gets another chance to get another ring. Am I looking at it wrong?

Jets trade up to #1 & take Bush. Texans get Brick at #4.

If we cannot afford the large signing bonus needed to re-sign our one big name player, that is truly worrying. That would mean we will never be able to re-sign any top pro bowl player again. I personally don't think this is the case. How can it be? Isn't the bottom line that the Bills still make mega millions, just not the same percentage as the big franchises? Assuming we are not going to be getting any more free agents, it would make perfect sense to sign up Clements to a long term deal paying him most of what we have left under the cap(which should be a fair bit now Moulds is gone) as this years salary & give a smaller signing bonus. This would enable his later years payments to be lower thus enabling us to afford better players(when we hopefully are becoming competitive). It would also mean that if something went wrong down the track(i.e. injury etc) we could cut him & not take a big cap hit. Am I missing something with this or is this a reasonable way to work a contract?

Good News I hear you ask.... We have the #8 pick in a draft where there are (at least) 8 studs.(unlike last year). We also have 2 high 3rd rounders which is great because (apparently) this draft is super deep in talent. We have a new coach who will(hopefully) use our best back on third & short & not try & out-think himself. We have a new GM who believes in the character of men not in men who are characters. A good handful of our older, malcontented, lazy, fat players are gone & have been replaced with young, football loving men who are desperate for their chance to prove themselves. We have an easy schedule against a bunch of teams that did not perform as well as us last year. We have two young QBs who show huge upside potential.(if you squint while looking) We have only got one real direction we can go & that is up. We follow the Buffalo Bills. Hows that for good news?

No, as it happens. I live in Australia & only get to watch the Bills play when they are Nationally televised or if our FOX network surprises us with a game. I get up every Monday morning at 2:45am(4:45am Daylight Savings) to listen to the Bills games over the internet. If you read your fellow Bills fans thoughts here you will see that opinion(as usual) is divided. Quite a few think Gandy can certainly get the job done & that our DEs likewise can get the job done. People are not saying they are good enough for us to be contenders, just they will make do for now(until we can find better). You put forward your 'opinion' aggressively as if it is gospel. Is there a reason why when you see an opinion with a slight optimistic slant you get angry? In my previous post I said it is fun speculating....well people like you do take the fun out of things a bit. By the way(& I know it is just some opinion & I should take yours over this but), Scout Inc. rate Denney at 69...which is Adequate Starter. Solid Starter(for their system) is 70-74. Ryan Denney: Grade: 69 Expert's Take: Denney has edge speed and a consistent get-off. He has great size and very good upper-body strength. He can accelerate and close on quarterbacks. He works hard with his hands to disengage from blocks on the pass rush. He is a bit of a long strider but runs well. His recognition skills are solid, and he seldom is out of position. He is tough and plays with good leverage, especially for his height. He is a strong tackler who can uncoil and club up with his arms. He sometimes plays with a narrow base, loses his balance and gets off his feet. He lacks initial foot quickness and ideal change-of-direction skills. His body control isn't great. He can lose his leverage and is vulnerable to the double team. He plays hard, but his effort to finish plays is inconsistent. He effectively uses several pass-rush techniques but needs to develop more explosiveness and a better sense of timing.

I agree

True, but this is an exercise for all of us experts to evaluate what we have now & where we think things could/should/need to improve. Even after July, IMHO we won't know what we have until we have played several games....but it's still fun speculating

I sit here & read post after post about how bad our lines are & how difficult it is to fix them. Here's the thing....HOW BAD ARE THEY REALLY? Assuming we wish to solidify the lines this year(& not aim for greatness just yet) D-LINE DE: Most would agree we are solid. Schobel, Kelsay & Denney if not good (though I think combined they are), are certainly solid. DT: Larry Tripplett is probably the only legit starter but the backups could step up & become solid rotation guys....1 starter needed O-LINE RT: Solid(with upside) in Jason Peters RG: Most analysts I read are still saying Villarrial is an anchor for our line...Good(for a few more years) C: With the importation of Fowler one would have to say we are minimally O.K.(with upside)...Duke Preston should be able to pick up the slack if Fowler falters. LG: Hmmm...Benny Anderson(mush maligned & deservedly so). If Fowler sticks at center, Preston could start(potential). Gibson is the dark horse here but...Overall questionable here. LT: From what I hear, Gandy is still serviceable. He will get the job done(just not overly well) O-line....1 starter needed + some luck Anyone would think it was as bad as the Cardinals lines. Wells(who we went after) was their most consistent lineman. They lost their best DT(Davis) to the Hawks. Look at half the teams around, we compare easily to a lot of them. Is it just my optimism or are the lines not as bad as most bleat about?

Golly, you do sound angry & it's only theoretical at this point. The points you made on Palmer, Manning & McNabb are exactly what I have been saying. It takes years(3) for the young QB to become a true asset. Therefore if the people being paid the big bucks think that there isn't much chance that JP or Nall will blossom, it makes sense they will look elsewhere(& not waste the extra years) What happens if one of them becomes a Pro Bowler? Just look at SD. If Brees had not gotten seriously injured, they could have recouped value on Rivers easily. If we had Young or Cutler backing up like Rivers(consider the hype on these two), we would be fine. Again I say I can see the logic if it happens. I do not understand why lots of Bills fans(i.e. you) look at the concept with such vehemence. PRO BOWL QBs WIN SUPER BOWLS! Basically, if JP or Nall do not pan out, it could well be a decade without seeing a playoff victory.

I think they want to give them a chance too but... I think there is the possibility they will pull the trigger quickly. Drafting a QB next year might be just one too many years for them to be comfortable with. If you notice, teams that are rebuilding that don't get it right with their 1st round pick QB, are usually back where they started 3/4 years later.(Bills-Johnson, Bledsoe. Lions, Ravens, Bengals-Akili Smith, Bears, etc etc) ...as opposed to teams that get a probowler with their 1st round pick QB.(Steelers, Bengals-Palmer, Eagles, Colts etc, etc) I will be nervous as hell if they draft Young or Cutler but I won't be surprised nor angry.

I know this is off topic but... Didn't T.O. totally miss the playoffs & only return for the Bowl?

There must be much more workouts (unconfirmed)....just look at GB, OAK, HOU, SF, etc etc.... I don't know too much about all this. Will there be a lot more workouts over the next few weeks? If yes then this list will be far more beneficial then.