dr.fishopolis

This itself is mostly luck. In 1995 he pled no-contest to dragging his girlfriend out of their house by her hair, down 3 flights of stairs, before bashing her head into a mailbox. In 2005 he was accused, and later convicted, of twice choking his girlfriend unconscious, and another time knocking her head into their bathtub. Who knows what he did in the middle, but I'm sure we haven't heard all of it -- just the parts that almost killed women. I'm not saying that you in particular were arguing this, but as a contribution to this thread -- Lawrence Phillips is not someone that just needed to learn a lesson or someone to pity. He's a scumbag of the highest (lowest?) order and a neanderthal. http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world/lawrence-phillips-convicted-of-assaulting-his-girlfriend_100232028.html http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/apr/19/bianchi-what-if-aaron-hernandez-lawrence-phillips/

No income tax. They have sales tax.

Most penalized teams in 2014: 1. Seattle 2. New England Most penalized players in 2014: 1. Browner - NE 2. Bennett - Sea Source: http://www.nflpenalties.com/ Sorry, you were saying something about penalties losing games? According to this site, Incognito has not led the league in penalties in any year on or after 2009, but it doesn't go any farther back than that. So even if penalties did lose games, which they don't seem to, you're clinging to very old history to claim that Incognito is a league-leader in penalties. Would you also not accept Browner or Bennett on your team? What about Richard Sherman? Russell Okung? These players on championship teams all have more penalties than Incognito in his last full year, 2012. Here are Incognito's penalties from 2012, when he was somewhere around 60th in the league in penalties: Offensive Holding (4), Unnecessary Roughness (2), False Start (1) Here's the same for Russell Okung, 2012 pro-bowl LT (a pro-bowler that year): False Start (8), Offensive Holding (5) Clearly, Incognito is history's greatest monster.

Greer is unsure if he'll come back from his latest injury, and seems to be mentally preparing for retirement. . http://www.nfl.com/n...ter-knee-injury

Except, you know, when they do. Like in 2012, when NE traded up twice in the first round: http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2012/04/27/patriots_trade_picks_get_jones_hightower/ or in 2006, when PITT traded up for Santonio Holmes: http://triblive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_448709.html#axzz31BANkNoM

I don't need to form opinions, other people have done it for me!

Bills announced they have re-signed K Dan Carpenter.

Easy, the Tampa Bay game in week 12 of 2000. Sam Cowart was having one of the most dominant games I've ever seen out of a linebacker -- 3 sacks in the first half only begin to tell the story, he was all over the field and seemed unstoppable. I remember thinking that he had finally come into his own that day. Then he was cut blocked by a TB guard, screwed up his ankle, and basically never played for the bills again -- he blew out his knee on opening day in 2001, and that was it. The Bills were up early, but sunk after that injury. Rob Johnson threw for 262 yards and 2 tds, and got sacked *seven* times that game.... Rob Johnson vs Shaun King (sacked 6 times) wasn't exactly Manning vs Brady that day. Unfortunately for Sam, that day in his 3rd season was probably the pinnacle of his career. He bounced around the league for some years after that, most notably with the Jets, but was never that player again. He was also voted to the probowl in 2000, despite not being able to play the last 4 games due to the injury. Next up - we'll keep on the linebacker kick with Bryce Paup.

UFA qb: romo, warner UFA rb: arian foster, fred jackson UFA wr: wes welker, victor cruz UFA te: antonio gates UFA ol: jason peters, jeff saturday UFA lb: james harrison, bart scott, fletcher UFA dl pat williams... In fact, why are we even drafting 1st and 2nd rounders at all, when we could just stockpile UDFA's at every position.

So either his career is done, or he'll be a wrecking ball. Way to take a stand.

Man, I'd hate to be *that* guy

Oh right, my argument. I almost forgot I presented one -- but I must have, for such biased data to be cherrypicked. History does have a decided bias against whatever you think I'm arguing for, so maybe that explains it.

Oh, I'm not offended. It takes more than anonymous name calling from internet toughs to get me down. I was just hoping that if I took the time to research the point at hand and share my research with the board, it would encourage and perhaps contribute to a legitimate adult discussion about the matter at hand. Again, my bad.

Now you're calling me a lady? Before I get offended... are you buying me dinner?

I don't have a theory. Weo asked for stats about superbowls and top 5 draft picks. I provided historically accurate stats with a frigging parenthetical aside describing the edge case of Eli Manning. Now I'm having motives and theories ascribed to me, and generally having my integrity questioned. My bad, I guess.

Disingenous, right. It's real insincere and backhanded of me to transcribe the results from nfl.com, and leave a parenthetical aside about where Eli fit in if he met the criteria that started the conversation. I almost pulled the wool over your eyes, thanks for rescuing everybody by catching and calling out my true motive. Yes, if things had happened differently, I would have had them listed differently. How sneaky of me!

And when you go back to the official results of the 2004 draft, the NY Giants selected Philip Rivers with the #4 selection. None of this changes the point, of course, as the 2004 Giants are already counted in the list of "teams that drafted in the top 5 and went on to win a super bowl", with a position noted as "QB". Disingenuous? I'm quoting the official draft results from nfl.com, in a conversation about historical draft results. You're arguing with them. And I'm disgenuous? If you think the Giants should be listed as drafting Eli Manning, you should take it up with history, and not me.

I chose not to, as the question was about super bowl winning teams and who they drafted in the top 5. I guess it's pedantic, but would you say we drafted Drew Bledsoe? Even though we came away from the draft with him? I wouldn't.... The Chargers drafted Eli, and they did not win a Super Bowl.

the short answer is "not many super bowl winning teams ever pick in the top 5" Here are teams that picked in the top 5 since 2000 AND won a superbowl after their draft: 2000 #5: Ravens - Jamal Lewis (RB) 2004 #4: NY Giants - Philip Rivers (QB) 2006 #2: NO Saints - Reggie Bush (RB) 2006 #5: Green Bay - AJ Hawk (OLB) Of these, only Jamal Lewis would probably be described as a difference maker for his super bowl winning team (though Eli Manning would if he were here). Rivers never played for the Giants, Bush was never more than a backup HB (who had his worst year in the superbowl year), and they talk about releasing Hawk basically every year. The answer to your quesiton, however: 1997 #1: St Louis - Orlando Pace (T) 1996 #4: Baltimore - Jonathan Ogden (G)

Heck, we could use the current Stratton now. Bring him in cheap, let him compete with Sheppard. What's the risk? Giterdun Buddy.

So... you wouldn't know what you were going to do. You'd have 2 or 3 options, but if you had to pick one months in advance, you wouldn't know which. If someone asked you "what your plan was", you'd say "i don't know", b/c a) you don't know and b) you're not going to share your options. Oh my, that's exactly what this buffoon of a GM did! What a buffoon!

I did not intend to imply they did. Note how I said most people want Fitz gone, and *this thread* (not most people) want Palmer Agreed, 2005 Palmer was a pretty nice QB. Too bad we can't get him.

You'd think such a thing would show up in stats, right? Put another way, if Palmer can make all the throws necessary, why doesn't he? Why does he end up with almost a 1:1 TD:INT ratio, and 13 fewer TDs than fitz, who can't make any pro style throws? Why does his superior arm and ability to make every throw end up with .75 yards more per attempt than Fitz, and not something more substantial. Palmer can, but he chooses not to? What's the argument here? Don't give me the "Raiders are terrible" argument, b/c so are the Bills. When Palmer took over the Raiders they were in the lead for a playoff spot with Jason Campbell, and at the end of the year they weren't. So you're not looking at wins (not that I think wins belong to a QB), you're not looking at stats, you're not looking at overall talent surrounding them (where the Raiders, with McFadden, Reece, Heyward-Bey, Denarius Moore, and Brandon Myers were at least equal with what the Bills put out this year)... so where are you looking? Ah, you're looking at "play on the field", but not the part that has any measurable result, b/c results are stats and stats are for losers! How did Palmer look last year? How many Raiders games did you watch? How about the year before?

So for a better comparison, you'd compare them from six years ago instead of last year? When Palmer was 27, in his prime, and had never retired from being a professional athlete, and when Fitzpatrick was a backup with no starting experience thrust into taking over a team mid-season? And you think that's a fair and meaningful comparison? If we can get the 2007 Palmer or the 2007 Fitz, then sign me up for Palmer. Last I checked, however, we can only get the 2013 Palmer or the 2013 Fitz, and they're virtually the same player -- but one is older and more expensive. If we're not allowed to use stats or actual performance from this decade to back this up, I'm not sure how you can argue that "Palmer is the better qb" right now.

Here are 2 qbs with their stats for the last 2 years, and their 2013 salary (bonus included) QB A age: 30 past 2 seasons: 7232 yards, 48 tds, 39 ints, 659 completions, 1074 attempts (61.35%, 6.73 YPA) 2013 salary: 7.25 million QB B age: 33 past 2 seasons: 6771 yards, 35 tds, 30 ints, 544 completions, 893 attempts (60.91%, 7.58 YPA) 2013 salary: 13 million This probably isn't a surprise, but just to be clear, we're trying to run QB A out of town b/c he throws too many interceptions, makes too much money, is too old to have a future, and will never be a legitimate qb. Most people on this board have claimed they never want to see him start a game for this team ever again. Meanwhile, this thread is in support of signing QB B to replace QB A, despite QB B being older, more expensive, and throwing a higher rate of interceptions vs touchdowns. Do I have that correct?