Lofton80

Moodrak always claims he is a scout and would be happy exclusively scouting college kids. John Guy and Jauron are helping Marv as much as TM. Fewer Eagles and Steeler FA's being looked at this year.

Guesswhoz21 is spot on. Fat guys are not part of cover 2 scheme. DT's usually go about 300-310. Bunkley looks like a good fit.

I clearly think Marv wants to trade Moulds. After TO, the market is thin for receivers and the draft has only one legitimate round #1 WR. Getting a #2 pick for him would be a windfall. Marv knows this team is two years away and keeping a disgruntled Moulds around is no good for the team. He also knows if he cuts him it sends a bad message to potential free agents. Keep him until the market settles and tell his agent to find a trade partner preferably in a different division who has cap room (Minnesota ?, Chicago? ). Worst comes to worst, Moulds avgs 7 yards a catch for the 2006 Bills.

Peters - Neal- Mangold- Villireal- Fabini would be an upgrade over last year.

Agree on the Neal pickup. As for the others, how many backups do we need?

My take on the Andre Davis pickup was to use that speed to stop teams from crowding the line. Josh Reed, Moulds, Aiken, Campell cannot run by anyone. Davis, Evans and Roscoe can stretch the field. Now getting them the ball is another issue.

Tough lunch pail kind of player. Speaking of which what happened to Runyan?

Isn't Bowen a safety?

Spikes has to be in the plans. Simply has to be.

One thing I like about Vince Young is he is a great leader. The comebacks vs USC and Ohio St on the road were against premier teams on huge stages. Delivering victories in crunch time is a rare commodity in a QB. I admit taking a QB again is crazy but I do like Vince Young. Cinci did it with Carson Palmer after burning a 1 on Akili Smith and I'd say it worked out well.

Agree that that is the best case scenario, draft is deep where hitting 5 or 6 in the top 100 would be a great building block, just want to see a veteran center and a veteran safety out there.

Seymour was drafted, they went out and got Vrabel, Brian Cox, Antowain Smith, Marc Edwards and others the first year they one. They did add Harrison, Colvin(FA) and Dillon (trade). point was they don't make big early splash in FA ala Snyder and survive.

I suspect Marv is attempting to follow the Belechek/Pioli model with the emphasis on hard working, character players. I took this off the Patriots board as they are flipping out over all the players they are losing. I think Mike32282 is close to what Marv is attempting to do. PATRIOTS OFFSEASON SURVIVAL GUIDE (One man's opinion) The recipe that has worked for the Patriots for the past several years....DOES not usually offer us, the "patriot" fan much excitement in the days of free agency....or the draft. This you MUST get used to. Do NOT expect many "star studded", or big name free agency signings for huge cash....from the Belichick led Patriots. DO expect a few LATE signings of FA players who's names you do not quickly recognize, that get signed for average/league minimum money. YOU may not know their names.....but odds are Belichick and Pioli....HAVE BEEN WATCHING them all year.....they may do well here....or they may be a bust.....but they are very low risk financially for the most part. During this time of year....EXPECT to watch the talking heads on ESPN/other Sports stations.....briefly talk about the FA moves by the Patriots, scratch their heads, look at each other blankly.....and then move on to the next team.....that just signed a "HUGE, BIG NAME star" to their roster for 100 million over 4 years....... DO not EXPECT to read anything in the newspapers or free agency/rumor websites about possible trades or aquisitions by the Patriots......IF you don't expect this.....you won't be disappointed everyday....when every other team has "moves" listed......and the Pats column is blank....... DO I AGREE with every player move he has made......OF course not.........BUT I have gotten used to the Belichick style and method in terms of the FA and draft process......and quite often......you have to just sit back, wait, and watch......

Arizona typically does not even spend to its cap so matching is no guarantee. That said, this guy doesn't warrant a huge deal.

Intriguing but Ralph would have to pony up two first round contracts himself. Minnesota may be a dance partner as well. Childress indicated backup Brad Johnson would ascend to the starting role in 2006 but he hoped to acquire a young quarterback to develop for the near future. Childress also did not rule out packaging several draft picks -- they now own the 17th, 48th and 51st picks -- to move up in the first round and select one of the draft's three premier quarterbacks: USC's Matt Leinart, Texas' Vince Young and Vanderbilt's Jay Cutler. "You look at all those eventualities and see if you feel like there is something," Childress said.

I much prefer they chase starters than someone who was out of the league and someone who has "seen time".

They make take Ngata and use a rotation. May take a player like Hawk realizing that Fletcher may be near end of contract. Best scenario is a trade back and have a chance to grab three players in top 50.

Character issues = no go with Marv

I love the pick but if we still need OLine guys by draft time we have to trade back.

Paup was done when he left here no where's near the MVP level we saw. Odomes? Reich? Bannon's best moments here were as a guard on goal line offense.

Could not agree more, he has a lot to prove for those dollars.

7 million for 2 years, not bad for an old guy.

I found this post from another message board interesting. "The fact is, despite a difference in local revenues Wilson will make a profit this year. The NFL shares 80+% of all revenue among teams, higher than any other league. Because of the TV money, all the player costs are more than covered before he does a thing. The only thing sharing more revenue would do is put more money in his pockets, not make his team more competitive. He is just making excuses for being cheap, because each team receives enough money through television to cover all of it's player payroll costs. While Buffalo obviously does not have the corporate base of support that other communities do, they could be far more aggressive in marketing their team. Besides the obvious sources of revenue like naming rights, there are other avenues to explore. Bob Kraft built his own TV station and provides his own programming. He is building a hotel and mall on the land around the stadium, and is using the stadium and team to market in other areas, like trade shows, conferences and such. Why should he share that revenue with Ralph Wilson? Why should he work so hard at maximizing his revenues so Wilson can sit around doing nothing and take a cut? What is stopping Wilson from exploring his own alternate avenues of generating revenues? Each owner has a different situation. Guys like Irsay and Rooney inherited their teams, from their fathers, who bought the teams decades ago for comparatively short money. Irsay is getting a brand new stadium built almost completely on the public dime. Paul Brown had a stadium built and maintained by the public. McNair in Houston paid well over $700M for his team. Kraft paid around $200M for the team and stadium, then invested another $350M in a new stadium. Jeffrey Lurie and Dan Snyder paid big dollars for their teams. These teams have a lot of debt. Large markets generally bring in more revenue. This is also why it costs more to purchase a team in a large market than a small one. This is America, and if one owner does a better job marketing locally and is making more money then good for him. Nobody is losing money. Besides, there is no evidence that small-market teams are at a competitive disadvantage. I defy anyone to make the case. Here is the breakdown of playoff teams last year based on market size: Giants (1) Chicago (3) NE Pats (5) Washington (8) Tampa (12) Seattle (13) Denver (18) Pittsburgh (22) Indy (25) Charlotte (27) Cinncinnati (34) Jacksonville (52) Here is a list of teams in a top ten market, that did not make the playoffs: Jets (1) Philadelphia (4) San Francisco (6) Dallas (7) Atlanta (9) Houston (10)

I am no fan of Brown but his comments are intriguing. Bengals owner Mike Brown got a shock when he arrived for work on Thursday. A printout from NFL headquarters outlined more details of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, which the league owners passed in a 30-2 vote in Dallas on Wednesday. Brown and Buffalo Bills owner Ralph Wilson were the only dissenters. Brown, who said the CBA is "tremendously costly" for low-revenue teams such as the Bengals, learned about the noneconomic features of the deal, which favors the players. Draft picks in rounds 2 through 7 can't sign a contract exceeding four years. And the loyalty clause Brown had built into player's contracts is dead. Players can no longer be subject to forfeiture of part of their signing bonuses for making derogatory comments about the team, coaches or management. "Now that has been given back in the negotiation," Brown said. "We did not know the details of that at the time we voted. "I think it's wrong to vote yes on a deal when you don't know what's in it. We did not know the noneconomic features of this deal. All of these noneconomic terms were considered of lesser weight than the (finances). The whole package should have been in front of us." Here's a more in-depth Q&A with Brown from the Dayton Daily News Q&A with Mike Brown Q. What makes it (the new deal) so challenging for the Bengals? A. The deal is tremendously costly. The high-revenue teams — although they were willing to shift money to the low-revenue teams — were not prepared to shift money in proportion to the amount the shifting costs onto us. This is a system that is based on the average. Teams pay player costs at the average. So if you're a high-revenue team (such as Dallas and Washington), you're paying less as a percentage of your income than you are if you're a low-revenue team. The low-revenue team will pay well in excess of 70 percent of its revenues to player costs. The high-revenue team will pay around 40 percent. Q. The big-market clubs seem to maximize their revenue potential. Do you? A. We think we do a good job within the constraints of our market. They (big-market teams) have a much greater amount of disposable income to appeal to than we have. If you go to some of these large markets, it's a multiple of 10 times or more than what we have in the Cincinnati market. So they should be able to make more, and they do. Do I think it's because they work harder? No. We work just as hard in the small markets. Q. What is disposable income? A. It would be the income available to spend on the products we sell, which is everything from tickets to (luxury) boxes to sponsorships, radio rights, and on and on.

Oakland probably grabs Ngata if they pick up Culpepper. Wroten was the best player on the field in the Sugar Bowl. I love the pick but I do believe he recently was arrested for something and Marv wants character guys.