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Absolutely. I know of far more extremists that hate TD and find it difficult to see that he has done ANYTHING good at all. I think mostly what people disagree on are what TD's mistakes are. For example, I think TD's biggest mistakes are: GW, the kicking position, and not getting rid of BOTH RJ and Fwootie that first year.

What are you suggesting? That I'm a moron? Here's what I asked: My original post If someone doesn't care to give details for me to refute, why should I?

Of course being a fan doesn't necesitate being a student of the game, but I don't think it's too much to ask for someone to have just a little understanding of a process if they'd like to discuss it.

Nice try. I have nothing to refute - there's no substance to his examples. BTW - you didn't answer my question properly either.

Let's not forget to mention the faith that our Bills organization put in him by drafting him and paying him despite his desire to fulfill his AF committment. Not every team would do that.

Whatever, Mick. I mentioned the word moron, because to tell you the truth there are plenty of people who ARE morons. I know it sounds elitist, but when you read 100 posts saying "we should sign XXX" or "we shoulda done xxx" it drives me nuts. What kind of MORON thinks that decisions are made in a vacum? I'll stand by my moron statement not because someone disagrees with me - that's where you are completely wrong - but because if someone is incapable of supporting an argument with logic, they ARE a moron.

Again, the Pitt starting o-line played the entire game. Let's not rewrite history.

Actually, if you watched the game you would realize that the Steelers' starting OL played the entire game.

Are you kidding? Donahoe doesn't know crap about FAs! He's never signed anyone that helps the team, he only lets good players go without replacing them!

Are you kidding me? Donahoe blows! He couldn't draft anyone if he tried!

My point is that I'm pretty sure I can take a look at every draft and FA move and come up with things that they did wrong, or turned out wrong.

Nice try. You didn't answer my questions. Basically, who is a better GM over the past 4 years. Give details, incl specific moves, and overall general philosophy. You didn't do that. You just bitched a bit more, which is useless. You can B word all you want, but only morons complain without attempting to balance bad moves with good. I haven't seen you try that. So read my post again, and at least attempt to name me 4 GMs who have done a better job. I expect details of specific moves, and general philosophy. If you can't do that, explain why you can't, or else every argument you lay out makes you look like an idiot.

Gee, and I don't. Why don't you outline who you think is a better GM in the NFL over the past 4 years, why, and specify specific moves and general philosophy. I want details. I bet you can't come up with 4.

I guess it's all how you look at it. Some people have a bad taste in their mouth because he did a few things right out of the gate: 1. Purged popular players to fix the cap. 2. Got rid of the little prick flutie. 3. Decided to keep Rob "China" Johnson. Overall, I think your issues with TD are valid, however, there's a few I disagree with. You've got to evaluate someone in the context of what they were trying to do. >1. Hiring Gregg Williams. I don't have a beef with hiring him. I have a beef with not firing him earlier. 2. 2002 draft, day 1. Give me a break. Mike Williams played well last year. Coy Wire is an amazing special teams player. You can't hit on everything, and if you'd care to look at TD's draft record overall you might have a different opinion. But my issue with this, and your criticisim, is that you pick out tidbits instead of absorbing an entire tenure. 3. Not outright releasing Drew Bledsoe after the 2003 season. Right. And pick up who? What would have been the plan? 4. Not making the playoffs in 2003 or 2004. I guess TD shares part of the blame for this, but so does the rest of the team. And do you think if we released Bledsoe, we would have even been in position to get to the playoffs? Look at the big picture of what you are pissed about, and you'll see that if you create scenarios with what you coulda woulda shoulda done, we probably wouldn't have been in position to be in the playoffs, anyway. Think about it. 5. Not respecting the kicker position in football. Agreed. I hate lindell. However the Moorman pickup was outright brilliant. Look at the big picture. 6. Overpaying for guys at certain positions - Troy Vincent at FS, Teague at C, MW at RT, Villarial at RG, Prioleau and Wire at backup SS, etc... Whatever. I don't think Teague, Vincent, Villarial OR Williams are overpaid. Sorry, but criticism of what Williams is getting paid shows a complete lack of understanding regarding how draft signings work. Think about it. You are slotted in salary AND bonus at #4 and you can't do a damn thing about it. Your criticizm is starting to get a little unwarranted to say the least. 7. Building a team with the stars focused at the LB and offensive "skill" positions rather than upfront on the OL and DL. Really? So signing Sam Adams and drafting / resigning Schoebel is ignoring the DL? Really? I find that facts disagree with your perception of reality. Drafting an OL in the first round ignores the line? Hiring McNally ignores the line? Give me a break, man. Additionally, I don't think you can critisize a defense ranked top 5 in the NFL for two years running. 8. Already being at the salary cap limit for 2005, only 2 years following the period where we were unofficially out of "salary cap jail." Um, there's a difference between being under the cap and over. You lack of understanding regarding contracts and cap is getting funny. Do you remember that when Donahoe got here we were over the cap by like 20 million and only had 40 player counting toward that number? We couldn't even field a friggin team! Dude, get a clue. We have room to sign anyone worthwhile that we want. Cut Wire, and there's our space. We can do whatever we please when it comes to signing players, because we can field a full roster and we're still under the cap. Of course Steven in MD agrees with you. He's still pissed about the salary cap purge. He thinks that having 40 players signed and you're still over the cap is a workable situation. If this is the type of "knowledge" you have agreeing with you, you might want to check the "facts" you are basing your opinions on. TD isn't perfect, and I don't like being out of the playoffs, but he's done some great things while he's here that far outweigh any misses he's had.

I'll be there! Mmmmm. I can taste it now.

I think our best D-lineman was Sam Adams.

Stop rhyming like that, you're making me randy! I might have to hop on a girl named Sandy.

Oh, I understand. Like Moulds and Schoebel. Ah, I get it.

But obviously they've paid for players such as Spikes, Fletcher, Adams, Moulds, Schobel, Milloy, Moulds, etc. Are you having a hard time admitting you are wrong?

That's interesting. Neither do the Bills. Right?

Sheesh. You just want them to sign someone with a name you recognize.

Oh. Brown was a backup? Interesting. You really might want to start basing your evaluations in reality. We paid some of our best defensive players "market value" (your new buzzword, i've noticed). Takeo Spikes, Sam Adams, London Fletcher, Milloy. We've also resigned some of our own players "market value" to keep them, such as Schobel and Moulds. Quite frankly, I've forgotten your point. What was it again? That we don't pay for players we need, or sign the ones that we should? Do you even have a point you can support with facts?

No, JP, we are NOT moving slow. It's friggin day 3 of FA! You're insane! :-)

And the same team that just cut many of their "name" players.

That was a great article. Says what I've been trying to say better than I ever could.