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    NFL draft rumors 2024

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    1 minute ago, boyst said:

    @GunnerBill

    The NFL draft is starting now on Central time. Because they're an hour ahead they've already began the draft, they can't tell us what happened because we're in Eastern specific time

    I hate to tell you, but they are an hour behind EST.

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    Pre draft thoughts

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    1 minute ago, TBBills Fan said:

    Random thought:

    The combine would be better if they made them do the drills in pads

    I thought you were going to say if they had cheerleaders. You're probably right, but I still like my idea.

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    NFL draft rumors 2024

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    9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

    Offensive line is the hardest position to develop in the modern NFL.. there is a complete lack of NFL quality lineman coming from college to the pros compared to 20 years ago 

     

    The schemes colleges run make it harder to transition to the NFL game... It generally takes two three four years for a non Blue Chip lineman to get it

     

    Spencer also lost a year of football in college due to covid... And battled through injuries in the pros early in his career which hampered development 

     

    Physically he has every single thing you want... Including a strong work ethic 

     

    He might not peek till he is 29 or 30... But he looks like a guy who could be a future All pro due to his traits which is why you definitely don't give up on him 

     

    he can definitely be Josh's bookend right tackle because he has a mean streak and protects Josh.. and he's a phenomenal athlete who can move the pocket with Josh

    Complete lack of judgment in those who want to add Brown to the mix in order to get the WR they covet. Who is going to plausibly replace him in the lineup? The Bills invested the time to develop him, and now they should what, put La'el Collins in there to replace him? Van Demark did not look good on the right side in the snaps he took at RT. 

     

    I've yet to hear an intelligent reply to these concerns from the enthusiasts for pay any price to get a top 3 WR.

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    Mock draft simulators.

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    5 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

     

    Anyone is worthy of such inquiry.

     

    But speaking of Worthy, KC offered to move up to 31, and when I rejected and selected Worthy, KC then traded back out of 32. So that felt pretty great, within the confines of fake digital draft maneuvering. 

    Yes, it was just a joke, and I agree about inquiry.

    I am Catholic, so I surmise we have different views on theology. Still think you're a very bright fella.

     

    Worthy is not my favorite, but he's real value there, and indeed, any victory over those KC villains, even virtual, is Worthy of celebration.

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    Rumor: Bills trying aggressively to move up for a WR in round one

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    18 minutes ago, MDH said:

     

    Which is why if one of the top 4 or so guys at edge are there in the 1st the Bills should seriously consider taking one as one of the plethora of WRs will still be around in round 2. Taking advantage of the depth of the WR class means you don't HAVE to take one in the 1st.

    Yes, you know, I've heard this argument a number of times over the last few months. Turner and Verse will be gone for sure. Latu if he falls because of injury concerns, and Robinson. I'm not sure who else you would consider. I just don't like Robinson. I wouldn't take him at 28. If I didn't like a WR there (well, I'm pretty sure I would), but if I didn't I would rather try and trade back. Latu is the only fella I think you should consider if you are okay with the medicals. I think someone will take him before 28.

     

    And then, I think they need a big X and a Z, so I want two WRs early if I can find value there. So the depth at WR to me means maybe I can get two early.

     

    I know you think differently, and you're welcome to have your own views, of course. I've already apologized to my TV for the breakage that will happen if Robinson is the pick.

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    NFL draft rumors 2024

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    1 minute ago, TOboy said:

    Supposedly it would just be “something they have to manage in 2024” then offseason surgery to repair. 

    If that is true, and it causes him to drop to 28, I'd take that risk.

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    Legette vs. McConkey

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    9 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:

    Beane will try to move up, no doubt. He already is trying.  If a guy falls even a bit that they like, we know Beane's track record.

    That said, I think this WR class is so deep, better to trade back and get two guys

    I'm not opposed to that. I guess it also depends on if they have a group of players with similar ratings. My inclination would be to take a fella at 28 that I liked (bird in hand,) then try and trade up from 60 for the other WR. (I'd be willing to use a 2025 second to do so.)

    Legette vs. McConkey

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    I want McConkey and Legette. I think you need a movement Z and an X. 

    If I have to choose, I'll take McConkey and find another X. I'd take Mitchell, for example, even with his question marks.

    But I suspect Beane is going to pay the price to move up for Thomas if he has to. Maybe he falls a bit, as some recent mocks appear to anticipate.

    NFL draft rumors 2024

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    1 minute ago, Estro said:

    I predict Franklin is on the board at #60. I don't think he's going as high as a lot of people think. 

    He's certainly one of the more polarizing players in the draft. I can't remember who, but someone's board has him #76 or something like that. Then there are fellas here who aren't dim who think he's the fourth best WR. I do think there's a chance he falls. I'm not so high on him, so that's part of my own bias.

    NFL draft rumors 2024

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    23 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

    I’m not really sure what the Bills were thinking last draft process. They must not have had any thought that Davis and Diggs would be gone by 2024.

    It was a very poor WR draft. Kincaid was an excellent pick. I don't think they expected Diggs to be gone by 2024, his cap hit implies that. I do think they were ready to move on from Davis. Losing both, however, makes WR a gaping hole, massive imperative. The folks who emphasize D can dismiss that all they want. Beane knows it, but he's going to need some good fortune to pull a rabbit (or two) out of this hat.

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    NFL draft rumors 2024

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    19 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

     

    Don't disagree with any of this, just trying to think of can a player be used a trade bait with what we realistically have that has some degree of value (not Elam). 

     

    Where i get to is we have been close but not close enough to beating KC and now is one of the times to swing big to make our offense that much better and harder to defend. We have Josh allen and we will almost always be picking in the late 20s, on a serious note what does next year's 26 through 32 pick do for us? This is the year to go big imo and how do we sweeten it enough?

    I surely do not want to weaken the Oline to move up. I don't really think there is an expendable roster player with the kind of value you are looking for. To get one of the big 3, you are significantly raiding 2025 picks and probably trading 28 and 60. I'd be excited to get one of them, but that price is too high, imo. If Thomas falls a bit, there might be a deal to be made there, though he's definitely a tier below.

     

    I think they need 2 WRs, either through the draft or the draft and a trade for a veteran. I'd prefer to draft around 28 and use a 2025 second to move up from 60 for another receiver. That would be my plan, but there are multiple feasible options. At this point, it's close enough that I am ready for the speculation to end and see what Beane can figure out. I don't think he will be passive. If I had to bet, I'd say he moves up, but at this point it's unclear how far. I don't really see anyone wanting to trade back out of the top ten to 28. Beane might have to move up into the teens, and then move up again from there if a top 3 WR is his target. Going to be pricey as hell if that's what happens.

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    NFL draft rumors 2024

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    28 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

     

    I'm conflicted this year because there is a lot of talent at WR in the draft. With Davis, I was fine a roll player WR replacement. I will admit that I was also hoping for a bigger move to eventually replace Diggs in 2 years, but I'm not sure I was willing to sell the farm for it. 

     

    The Diggs move did change a lot on my perspective. I'm certainly for the we need to get younger, clean the cap up and re-tool. We couldn't run it back again because that iteration of our team was not good enough. The reality is we are entering Allen prime. I just can't see us taking a guy that will need a year or 2 to develop and honestly waste those 2 years. The WR room has 2 number 3s right now and Kincaid. That isn't enough and I'm not sold on not having a go to #1, it just opens up much more for an offense. 

     

    The case and point for defense, I guess where I sit with that is load up on the secondary. I can almost never justify a first round pick on a safety, especially in our defensive system. I think you can find decent players in FA and the second round and lower. When it comes to a pass rushing end, how often does Mahomes get sacked in the post season? Or even pressured enough to make a mistake? It feels like having great cover guys may be the better option than trying to get him on the ground. 

     

    The other point is, you have to score everytime you have the ball, you just do. It all leads me back to you have to do what you can to move up and get that guy who you can have 5 great years with allen. I hesitate for the trade for Aiuk since all of the cap space you would have for 5 years is gone (again). For Jefferson, I begrudgingly would do it...but I need to still win now and don't want to wait for the development time. If I move next year's 1, you bet I want it to be 28 or later. 

     

    We have $10m in cap space coming back June 1 and can get a few other pieces to fill out the team. And next year use FA to further fill the holes. It just feels like this is the year to swing big again. 

     

    I do wonder if Spencer Brown is a trade chip. One year left and we do like our back up Van Dermark, plus Collins makes me think he is a deal sweetener...

     

    Feels like a tough place to be right now

    Van Demark has played well at LT in the pre-season, so maybe there's some hope there, but I don't think he's shown well in limited time at RT, actually. Collins is pretty washed and a backup at best. Using Brown in a trade up means you are losing two starters from the best Oline the Bills have had in years, and it was only pretty good. In short, I think that is a pretty awful move to use Brown as a chip to move up.

     

    Beane put himself in this position by trading Diggs, but before that, by not investing sufficiently at WR. I think it will be hard to get any of the top 3, and expensive to get the fourth. The WR room has to be addressed, though, so I guess we'll see how much of a wizard our GM really is.

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    Lions extend St. Brown (4 years, 120 mil, 77 gtd)

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    1 minute ago, Einstein's Dog said:

    I agree with you that Shakir or Samuel are not replacements for either Diggs or Davis. 

     

    Where I disagree is I think the Diggs replacement should be another good veteran WR - no second tier WR is comparable IMO.  The Davis replacement can be the highly drafted second tier guy.

     

    Also getting one veteran and one rookie balances out the aging of the WR room.  Then the Bills draft another WR in a year or two as the veteran is done.

    I think that is a genuine option, and I understand your rationale. I'm simply still open to 2 WRs early because of the quality in this draft and also because I have a few favorites that I think could fill out the WR room.

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