Dr. Who
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I wasn't trying to critique your post, but to tell you that changing the mind of the lunatic fringe is not going to happen. They will simply disappear until EJ throws a pick and reign triumphant.
Alas, humanity.
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If Rex didn't think EJ had potential, or that the Pegulas and Whaley were not going to go out and get him a good QB right away, like before OTAs, I think there is no way he takes the job.
I think EJ has potential. Personally, I don't like Cutler, assuming he would be traded. What available veteran would constitute a good qb? I think it's an underwhelming lot.
Yes, I do. I also know that posting 4 paragraphs in attempt to change their mind is foolhardy. They are knee-jerkers. It's like arguing with posters in the gameday thread. Nothing is gonna change.
I am generally brief. I wrote a dissertation for my own satisfaction and to make a rational case for EJ just because I like the kid and I'm old enough to remember when it was common for a young qb to "mature" for a few years before becoming a starter.
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I haven't seen anybody of merit say anything about Manuel not being an option. I have seen folks of merit say that he's not good enough right now, and we need to get a guy in case he stops progressing.
Alright. I'm fine with that.
You know there are an abundance of people without merit who post on message boards?
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That's not the assumed certitude. We saw what happened with all our eggs in the EJ Manuel basket, and some folks want a reasonable back up plan on the roster. Is that so bad? You even admit the chance of him being good is low, and you want to bet everything in 2015 on him?
Seriously, I haven't seen anyone suggest there shouldn't be a back-up plan. Even if you have Tom Brady, you need a back-up plan just because injuries happen. If you have uncertainty at a position, you need more than one player. That's common sense. I've seen a lot of posts that do presume that Manuel is not even an option.
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I posted this on the BBMB a few days ago. What annoys me are the people who say "what are we going to do about qb?" with the assumed certitude that we know EJ Manuel is a lost cause.
EJ is a gifted athlete with good character and a solid work ethic.
He had some success at FSU, but never nailed down the starter job. He was definitely a project drafted for upside based on his athleticism and his work ethic.
He was not supposed to see the field the first year, but injuries altered that plan. He had a typical rookie season with typical ups-and-downs.
EJ worked very hard in the off-season. Wide receiver talent was added and an attempt was made to upgrade the o-line.
What happened? EJ appears to have regressed. The o-line was for the most part abysmal. The offensive play-calling was inadequate, to the point where a journeyman qb with experience regressed as the year went on.
Given Marrone's departure and the subsequent avalanche of rumor, it is at least plausible that Marrone is a stubborn meathead who made decisions at least partly to frustrate Whaley. He certainly does not appear to have made a good faith effort to develop EJ Manuel.
What would a rational person with decent intellect and character take away from all this?
The most plausible conclusion is that EJ Manuel is still an unknown quantity.
His chances of becoming a great NFL qb are relatively low, because the number of qbs who succeed at this level is always a small number. One could argue that Rodgers and Brady are the only truly elite qbs playing now. (Manning is not the same player.) Still, it would be presumptuous to simply dismiss EJ at this point.
The factors that made him an attractive project are still viable and there are mitigating aspects that could explain how his second year turned out. One cannot simply dismiss them without acting in bad faith,which is what many on this board are doing.
The bottom line on all this is that EJ remains the most viable qb with actual potential on the Bills' roster. No doubt someone else will be brought in, but none of the free agents are anything more than journeymen with proven track records. While the chance is perhaps slim, we do not actually KNOW that Manuel's ceiling is mediocre game manager at best. I am looking forward to a coach like Jackson or Bevell putting him in a position to succeed. He may not, but he deserves a chance. Really too bad for those who are unable to make a complex judgement. -
Obviously.
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Silver is more than just a Hue Jackson supporter he is a personal friend. If Michael Silver says Jackson would pursue keeping Schwartz you can bet your last dollar that is because that is what Hue Jackson told him.
Hue Jackosn with Jim Schwartz staying is my ideal scenario. I would be excited. Really excited.
I think that would be an excellent situation as well. As for those comparing Jackson to Marrone, Jackson has a track record of improving offensive production in numerous NFL stints. Also, I would imagine that being on the same page with Whaley would be a factor in determining who is hired. Both of those elements are pretty much not like Marrone.
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huh? the Pegulas had nothing to do with the contract!!
Marone walked out of Syracuse as well.. coincidence or pattern?
Oh, I think it's a pattern. Sorry, I'm at work and just scanning all this.
I thought you were inferring something else.
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the contract was made well before the Pegula's were in the picture.
So what? How it played out was not automatic. Individual motivations and assessments are involved.
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Watching the bungles game last night I focused on their LG boling on all the replays. He will be a FA this year and looked very very good. Cincy had all of their success in the running game behind him, pulling, reach blocks, he could even get out and block on screen passes!!!
I'd like to land him. Heck we have a lot of cap space and no qb to pay so sign Iupati too:-). After this season Glenn and Wood should be cheap to extend so do it now while their value is down and then pay some interior guys !
I also expect NO to do a salary dump and they currently have two of the three highest paid Gs in the NFL (cap hit wise anyways) in Grubbs and Nicks. Plus Levitre may be cut.
There are a lot of studs out there and I want two of them!!!
I agree with the OL but would add a different, more powerful explosive RB as well. And the QB they get doesn't need to be all pro but I would go away from Orton or a rookie. Keep EJ as well.
Agree with the sentiments on both of these. Sign two good guards in free agency and then find a way to draft Todd Gurley.
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Yeah, I hate it when people do that
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Hell no. I was thinking I'd take him for their first --- no, I'm not serious, but that's what it would take if I was Whaley.
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I doubt the Bills make a bold qb move, because there isn't a bold move to be made that isn't stupid or impossible to make.
What they should do and will do, I think, is keep the crucial D players (hughes, extend Dareus, etc.) and upgrade the guard position via draft and free agency. I would also like to see them add play-making ability at rb and te. I would love to find a way to get Todd Gurley, but I'd be shocked if he were available in the third round as Buffalo Barbarian appears to suggest in his mock draft.
If we did these things, given the quality of the d and the special teams, adequate qb play would be enough to get into the playoffs. I still believe EJ can grow into the position. Those who have already written him off are too young and ignorant to remember when it was normal for a young qb to take a number of years to develop. Most of the crop of young qbs who seemed to defeat that notion have regressed. To those who aren't young, well, old doesn't make one wise I guess.
To those who want to do more than get into the playoffs, of course, everyone wants a superbowl victory. One can have a monster d like the 85 bears or last year's Seahawks and then adequate qb play can win a championship. I don't think Orton can be more than adequate; EJ might, the hell with the naysayers. Otherwise, one will have to wait for the 2016 draft, because the available options now are not going to net anything better.
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Wow, an attempt at a positive EJ comment engenders nothing but negative comments. How rare for a Bills' message board.
EJ will get another shot next year and I predict he will do much better.
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Yep. I'd consider Morrie a memoir. Others are novels, even though a couple are true stories.
I also said that I think his books are excellent; not to be confused with calling him a "great novelist."
I have found books to be easy reads that provoke thought, reflection and perspective. And two of them made me cry like a baby. So yeah ... I think he has written some excellent books - whether they're novels, biographies or memoirs.
Not telling you what to like or not. The books may be quite good. I guess I'm an elitist snob. Most popular work of this kind irritates me.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say, "no ... they've not actually read any of his books." I agree that his novels are excellent. If they read the novels - especially "Tuesdays With Morrie," and "Have a Little Faith," they'd see that Albom is also very much of a down-to-earth, stand-up guy.
I'm under the impression that Tuesdays with Morrie is a memoir. Novels are a particularly wide genre, but they don't include such. Seems a lot of kids are now referring to any published book as a novel. I wrote a dissertation partly dealing with the novel. If everything is a novel, what are we going to call what used to be understood as a novel?
Also, Albom appeals to a popular audience. Nothing necessarily wrong with that, so did Dickens, but I doubt he is actually a great novelist or an interesting prose stylist. Great novelists are people like Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Jane Austen or Evelyn Waugh. Proust is a master stylist. Albom markets ordinary sentimentality in a way that people like.
In addition, he was wrong about the dome and went out of his way to be snippy at a time when people have died and families are scrambling to protect themselves and their homes. Maybe he should reread his own books.
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The BBMB is rife with threads wanting Orton, a quality backup who doesn't know the playbook, to start week one.
I am not certain what can fully explain it, but there is an irrational and ugly factor regarding EJ Manuel. He was drafted as a project. I believe he is progressing. Some people are so invested in being right about EJ being a failure (after what, ten games?) that I honestly think it's pretty clear they are rooting for him to fail. They don't want to be pleasantly surprised. They want some trivial vanity associated with pronouncements on an internet messageboard to be vindicated over stellar play from a young man of outstanding character who happens to be qb for the team they claim to care about.
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A while back there was a thread about a Bills Fan Alliance where's folks would buy shares for thousands of dollars. How is a PSL any different?
Sorry, I'm breaking into this conversation without reading all the prior posts. Can groups of people combine funds to purchase a PSL? I live in Georgia. I'm not rich by any means, but I would kick in some money towards a PSL to keep the team in Buffalo. I wouldn't expect to go to a game or anything. I just want the team in Buffalo.
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I posted aways back on this. I think many fans, many of them, are blinded by their emotions on this. A new stadium here doesn't make a whole lot of sense given the economics of the area. We are the 3rd poorest city in America on the last list formed. Schumer or other political nonsense that people point to is ridiculous. This is going to be a business decision pure and simple.
I think you need to change your user name.
I still think it's absolutely amazing that folks believe there aren't enough fans with money in yr area to buy PSLs.
When the Sabres made the EC finals 2 years in a row, 19,000 fans had zero trouble plunking down $250/game for 3 home games (and that was for 300 level tix); that's $750 for just one series.
Somehow, we believe these same fans cannot afford a $5,000 PSL if given (as is common) a multi year payment plan.
Let's remember also that the local economy is stronger now than it was in 06 and 07.
Why some fans are so hurried to paint the picture of doom and gloom is beyond me, especially when none of this matters if the new owner is one of the locally-interested parties.
In my mind, the math here is pretty simple:
$300M from PSLs + $300M from subsidies (spread out over a 30-year tax hit to go along with the lease term) + $200M from the owner = new stadium
I grew up in Buffalo, but I haven't lived there in decades. I have family and friends who still live in and around the city. My sense was that Buffalo was finally starting to come back. Nothing as bleak and despairing as some of the negative posters here assert. What I do know is that the Buffalo Bills play an almost unique part in the civic identity of the community. The Bills mean more to Buffalo than almost any other sports team does to a city. I really cannot imagine that there aren't plenty of folks willing to pay to keep the team in Western New York.
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As a New England fan I see no way you guys move. You've got a great fan base that stretches to Toronto to the north and Syracuse to the east. I know Bob Kraft spoke recently saying he wants the Bills as an original afl team to stay in WNY and in the AFC East. I personally go to Buffalo every year when the Patriots come to town and find it refreshing to see a fan base and city like yours. The passion is always there win or lose and its a great gameday experience. The Bills are a huge part of the NFL and moving them to a place like LA doesn't help the league but hurt it.
Thank you for your kind words, but I prefer Pats fans that are jerks. That way I can hate them with a good conscience
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No.
Though technically, the way you phrased the question, yes. There are sure to be alarmists who think it is.
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Ian Rapoport says Bills want to trade up for Watkins.
No need to do that with Mike Williams now on the team.
Watkins is Julio Jones good. He does not duplicate Mike Williams' skill set.
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Such a long ghostly rant -- and then there was another one!
Short version of above: Wilson is incompetent and indifferent. The Polian hire was close to an accident. There's no rational evidence the team will not be very bad so long as Wilson is the owner. The only tangible thing fans could do to change the situation is not buy tickets and refuse to support the team.
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Alec Ogletree.
Bring Back the Red Helmets!
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Red helmet was definitely a Fergie thing.
Current helmet is better. Personally, I prefer the classic standing buffalo.