Dr. Who
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Great post. If you want a great QB prospect that even an idiot can see is good then get ready to give up 3 1st round picks +.
I would rather get Mahomes or Trubisky for one pick.
Yep, almost all those who want to wait because we have holes to fill are willing to sell the farm in 2018.
I posted in another thread, btw, Greg Gabriel's April 14th mock has Watson to the Bears, Mahomes to the Jets, Trubisky to Bills.
The qbs are going much earlier than many folks imagine.
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Link?
Here are Bills fans "Wait until next year because this years crop sucks" Its been a 20 year theme minus Andrew Luck (who BTW Still hasn't gotten Indy to a super bowl despite his hype)
Leroi said "We need an early run on QBs. If not, he will be there in the 2nd and we will pass on him. Imo" on April 12th in one of the Trubisky threads.
He said elsewhere all the qb talk was smokescreen and that we had targeted five players. I cannot recollect precisely, but it was something like wr 2, te 1, cb 1, and de 1.
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"optimum" scouting? How's that working out?
Anyway, why would college QB seek out the Bills organization to determine whether he declares for the draft? id he give them the old..."so....would ya?"?
If they had "strong interest throughout the season," I'm figuring this means our scouts and GM made their interest clear. It would not be ridiculous for a player to ask that team what they thought about where he would be drafted. If I thought my floor was #10 in the first round, I might declare for the draft.
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The biggest knock on him is that if he's not throwing the 9, he couldn't hit water if he fell out of the boat.
He's a tragically inept QB prospect.
But could he hit a hospitality tent?
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I don't think they are tying their future to him, but I do think they brought him back to give them a little but of a cushion.
They don't have to force a QB selection, instead they can let the draft come to them at the position. If the guy they like falls to them they can make the pick if they so choose.
However, without Tyrod they may have possibly even been tempted to trade up to ensure they get a QB.
Imo, Tyrod on a cheap contract is a good scenario for drafting a young qb that needs a year or two to develop.
I am not dismissing Cardale Jones, but I surmise he is a longshot to be a relevant NFL qb. So it seems rational to me to draft a qb with potential to become a franchise qb.
I don't think it's Tyrod and I doubt it is Jones. What's the point of having a bridge qb without a developing qb to provide a "destination" for the bridge?
All this, of course, presupposes there are qbs available in the draft who have that potential.
Btw, Greg Gabriel's April 14 Mock draft has Watson going to the Bears, Mahomes the Jets, and Trubisky to the Bills.
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It is the former. He got 6.5 targets a game. Julio Jones gets 11 and Antonio Brown 11.2. Even Deandre Hopkins got over 10.5 a game last year. Edelman gets over 12. Do you think it's crazy for him to get 10 targets a game? If he gets that (which is what other good receivers are getting) it amounts to 105 catches, 1,689 yards and 12 TDs. The production on a per target basis has been elite. That is obviously inept coaching. It is (and was) inexcusable to throw him the ball 6.5 times a game. This holds especially true with your other pass catching options.
I sure hope the new coaching staff gets it.
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Mahomes
Trubisky
Watson
Mike Williams
Derek Barnett
Caesura indicates a preference for qb. I did not include Hooker, Adams, or Thomas because I cannot see a realistic scenario where any of them are available.
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And this is why even professional scouts are wrong so often. Because it's not simple. NFL personnel guys have to blend all this stuff together and then make a prediction as to NFL success. Elements of that prediction include (1) raw talent, (2) work ethic, (3) staying out of trouble, etc. Even talent is a funny thing. Guys might be great at the college level but still fail to develop NFL level skills despite having the measurables.
It's like the weather. Despite all science knows about weather systems, professional climatologists are still often wrong in their predictions.
I agree with the complex judgment paradigm. If it were easy, there wouldn't be so many mistakes.
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I don't need any help getting my blood pressure to rise. It's bad enough reading this message board
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Sammy is a brilliant route runner with elite short space quickness and change of direction.
I have no doubt he is capable of being a top 5 receiver in this league. But he has to have the production before you put him there and his injuries have restricted that production.... as has a Quarterback who doesn't see the field.
Health and a better qb would equal elite production. My understanding is a number of wide receivers have required a second surgery on that foot problem. It appears to be something that is stable afterwards. Other injuries are perhaps another issue. Better qb is something a lot of folks here want to defer.
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I'm rather hoping for Chris Godwin, Penn St. wr, in the second.
I really would like Mahomes, Trubisky, or Watson in the first.
They will probably go lb, cb or something like that.
Oh, and I can't see them not adding the fifth year after the price paid to get Sammy.
If he can stay healthy, he is elite.
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Absolutely heartbreaking. God have mercy.
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Of being a decent human being.
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NFL Network Path to the Draft (6 EST and rerun at 8, I think) is supposed to feature Mahomes today.
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Cardale is a long shot. I am not writing him off. I assume after a year with the team, the Bills have a fairly good idea of his potential.
If they are high on him, they won't take a qb early this year.
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My impression of many who want to defer qb till next year is that 1) most are severely underrating this qb class; those who aren't view them as at best a 1 in 3 chance to be good whilst viewing next year's top qbs as 1 in 2 or better and 2) they assume Taylor will prove to be a good qb and it won't be an issue or he will flop and our bad record will allow us to trade up or take a qb next year without needing to do so.
It may be a tired response, but I still think the 2018 class, like almost every class "next year," benefits from lack of scrutiny. Maybe Darnold and Rosen and the Wyoming qb Allen are really good, maybe they will regress; nobody really knows. Unless you finish worst or second worst and draft at the very top, you likely aren't trading up for a top qb. The teams in those spots will take them unless SF takes a qb this year and still finishes near worst (which is possible).
So, I find it ironic that advocates for "being sensible" and filling holes with less risky, more immediate impact players now are also largely buying in to "selling the farm" next year to get the qb they likely won't have an opportunity to purchase in any event. Won't the team have holes that need filling next year as well?
The bottom line is if you judge a qb has real potential to be a franchise qb and you are in a position to draft him this year, it is utterly foolish to go in a different direction. We have tried the "different direction" for two decades and it has gotten us 1999 and counting.
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No it didn't. What got us to the top 3rd of the league in scoring is how well the whole team played.
Scoring is NOT a QB stat. It is a whole offense stat, with actually a large measure of defensive and STs play, probably 20 - 30%. Our offense had top ten average drive start field position. And we also were in the top ten of the league in terms of scoring by the defense/STs.
And as for the part of scoring that is purely offensive, our pass game sucked and our run game was terrific.
Our run game led the league in TDs and was 25% higher than the next best team, whereas our pass game was 27th in the league in TDs.
We had 29 running TDs and 17 passing TDs, in a league where not a single other team had more running TDs than passing.
Enough with pretending that Tyrod deserves all or even most of the credit for this. Give him credit for being at terrific runner and not a very good passer. Give the whole offense and mostly the run game credit for that scoring and throw a large chunk of that credit to the STs and defense.
Well stated, but folks will just come back at you that the run game was strong because of Tyrod. (He probably does help as the D has to account for another runner, but overall, a genuinely good qb is certainly something this team lacks and has lacked for nearly twenty years.)
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What I found most interesting (and I have liked Gabriel's take on the QB class all year to be honest) is that he is someone who still has decent links into the Bears organisation and he believes they are going Quarterback at #3. My ex boss has a very good personal friend who has done some work for the Bears in the past and says the same thing. I am surprised a lot more of the mockers are not matching Chicago with a Quarterback. That is the way I really see them going. You have to ignore the Glennon deal. Pretty much all the guaranteed $$$ is this year.
He also thinks the NC coach was a bonehead for posting the pic of the Bills coach and owner when they were there to look at Trubisky. While a lot of folks think the Bryce Petty wine and dine is proof that the Bills interest in qb is a smokescreen, Gabriel thinks the presence of the owner signifies real interest in the position. Thinks the Bills at #10 will pick the third qb off the board (apparently either Kizer or Mahomes.) So, this is a meh qb class . . .
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John C. made this post in another thread:
The attached link is a WGR interview with Greg Gabriel. He talks about the qb class and his belief that the class is better than many non NFL analysts indicate. He pointed out that the top part of the class is going to be drafted in a rather short order.
http://www.wgr550.co...-mike-schoppmp3
Note: The relevant part of the interview is from about the 7 minute to shortly after the 11 minute mark. It's pretty interesting.
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Dobbs is my pick as well if we take a late round flier.
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that would be where we differ, I don't think that will be the case.
Yes, I think teams actually have the qbs rated higher than the popular view among most pundits and there are too many qb needy teams, including teams like the Cards and Steelers with aging vets that will be looking to add qb early. I don't really include Kizer, though I suspect he will go before #44 as well. Mahomes, Trubisky, and Watson are the qbs I am interested in. If one of them is there at #44, I will be very surprised. I will then be apoplectic when the Bills pass on whoever is there to take a different player.
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I think you are way off on the quality of this qb draft class. Most likely they will be very Billsy and recycle cb.
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i don't think it's 2013. More like 2014. I'm good with the pick coming in the 2nd if they really like one. I think Zach Cunningham is McD's type of player and will be our pick somewhere mid to later first after trading back.
You may be right, but all the qbs worth taking will be long gone by #44.
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Astro had some sort of predictive filter a while back that had us taking Trubisky at #10 and Cam Robinson at #44.
I said I would be happy with that and you said
. I still like it.
Prospect Watch: Mitch Trubisky QB, UNC
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Hey, I'm just telling you what the fella said since you asked. I've stated my preference for qb so many times I'm bored with it myself.