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Not a big fan of the NBA, so I don't watch that show. All I knew about Sage Steele was that she was attractive and seemed articulate.
Now that I know she has the courage to go up against the PC mob, I am a fan.
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Of course none of this goes to prove that Mahomes should be the pick at 10. If only QB matters, then why not pick QB at every single pick until you get it right? No you can't just keep blindly taking QBs without logic behind it and that's really what you're saying here. You're basically defending the Manuel pick in 2013.
What a complete and utter non sequitur. No one has said "only QB matters." Some fellas think they are funny or are making a strong satiric point when they suggest taking 53 qbs, as if they were producing a reductio ad absurdam argument when they are merely being absurd. Franchise qb remains disproportionately important to success in the NFL. Obviously, one needs good players. One needs to fill "holes" as much as possible. Arguing for a priority to qb is not the same as dismissing other needs. Further, I don't see many folks saying one should "blindly" choose a qb. There are ample examples of those who have articulated a genuine argument as to why Mahomes could become a franchise qb. It's fine to disagree, but dishonest to pretend that those who advocate for taking a qb have not presented reasons why Mahomes, Trubisky, or Watson might be worthy of an early pick. It is not a proven certitude that this draft class is the same as 2013. I think it is clearly a better draft class. So, it is not "basically defending the Manuel pick" unless one presupposes this is a poor draft class at qb.
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It's true. Air Raid was for underdog schools who got the QB's no one else wanted. Nick Foles and Case Keenum not that impressive. But Air Raid is now getting Jared Goff, Patrick Mahomes, and Luke Falk type prospects so this way of thinking will soon be over.
For once, OBD, get ahead of the curve.
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Weighing Pros and Cons for Mahomes:
Pros:
Elite, Once in a decade arm talent
Very Good Accuracy
Great Pocket Presence
Fast Release
Ability to Throw Off Balance/Different Platforms
Ability to Throw on Move
Good Movement in Pocket to Evade Rush
Can Throw With Anticipation and Touch
Can Go Through Progressions
Can Manipulate Defenders With Eyes
Field General Qualities
Natural Athlete
Not a running QB but can scramble for a 1st down
Good Size
Adequate Height
Very Athletic
Toughness
Fiery Leader
Loves Football
Intelligent
Swagger
Cons:
Played in Spread Offense
Not used to calling out plays in huddle, will need to learn verbiage
Not used to playing under center
Very Raw in throwing under 3, 5, and 7 step drops
Over Confident in Arm
Sloppy, inconsistent footwork
He checks so many boxes and few college QB's play under center in pro-style offenses. He does need to be reined in with a strong coaching staff.
An impressive list of transferable traits that make Mahomes really intriguing. But, you know, a fella posts a link about the Air Raid offense and "buyer beware."
Deep thought there. Did you know, Jeffismagic, that the Air Raid offense has never produced an NFL qb of merit? Like, no one has said that in this ginormous thread. Forget everything else. Forget that most Air Raid qbs are small, quick fellas like Johnny football or that individuals can actually learn and transcend the limits of a system, especially if they have rare, superior measurables.
But for some, Air Raid = takes off list of draftable players or waits until a late round to chance it.
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Your ire is both juvenile and misplaced. Snowflakes want to live in a bubble where everyone agrees with them.
I am a Christian conservative with a PhD in the humanities. I am absolutely used to being a minority and shut down by the snowflake totalitarianism you supposedly abhor.
This has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with whether the advent of modern technology and the hyper-scrutiny of some golfers in particular situations is just or not.
Those who think it is unjust are not communists or authoritarians. Indeed, a kind of reactionary and unthinking scrupulosity regarding rules is much more intrinsically authoritarian.
If justice did not require careful consideration of a particular situation (the equity in a concrete dispute,) one could get a robot to read off the rules and penalties. Thompson did not "cheat" because the difference was utterly negligible and there was no intent to defraud competitors. Actual golfers know this, so they were sympathetic to Thompson, not self-righteously angry with her.
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A prudential judgement ought to be able to recognize justice beyond strict interpretation of the rules. A good golfer is placed under greater scrutiny. If you're having a bad day, you won't show up on telly for some nerd-accountant type to get upset and tattle. It was an excessive penalty. When the winner feels bad, you know the athletes recognize it was not real justice.
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When has a CB, S or WR ever been seen as the guy who turned around a franchise's fortunes?
Yeah, yeah it takes a team, etc. etc.
Let's get real: The Bills don't have a top QB.
You don't trade for top QBs because they are few and far between.
You don't sign top QBs in free agency because nobody lets them go, aside from a freak occurrence once a decade or so: Brees then Peyton.
You need to draft one and hit on the pick. But this whiny, weak, pathetic, loser attitude of "well we might miss guys! Wahhhhh!" Is why this team has gone nowhere in terms of wins and losses for a generation.
This. The only reason you pass on qb to fill a hole at cb, lb, wr etc. is if you determine there are no potential franchise qbs available at #10. There is probably at least one, imo, and the Bills need to take a shot. Mahomes has the highest ceiling. I am not discounting the risk, but I'd roll the dice. I also like Watson and Trubisky. But fellas like Kiper's Hair who claim inside knowledge say they are doing the same "fill the holes" strategy that has resulted in nearly twenty years of failure. Franchise qb and good coaching makes up for a lot of misses. Get those two right and you are almost always in the conversation. Figure it out OBD and show some guts.
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I don't think our draft currency cupboard is bare at all. We have a 2nd, 3rd and 5th to play with it, all of next year. We're not the Browns or Titans, but if the right player was identified, we could do it.
Trading up for Sammy certainly stings for plenty of reasons, but I don't think that's a reason to be gunshy.
I think its generally a mistake to raid 2018 draft picks to move up in the 2017 draft. Obviously, we could.
I will reiterate. I would only think about such a move for a franchise qb.
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When you have only six picks in the draft, trading up is probably unwise. I don't think Allen would be worth the cost.
DW continues to get raked over the coals for trading up for Sammy. Might be different without the injury issues and deficiencies at qb.
Imo, we don't have the resources and I would only trade up if OBD has identified a franchise qb.
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I like Mahomes... I'd even say go ahead and take him at 10 if you like him. But don't give the kid a hall of fame bust and act like there aren't reasons he's not the #1 overall pick. Cuz there are.
Everyone says his arms so hot his footwork doesn't matter... and he'll learn to take snaps under center... and learn to call plays in the huddle....
All of these things matter, and thats why he's not going #1 overall.
I have been arguing that having Taylor on a team friendly contract gives one the opportunity to sit a qb and let him develop. Any qb taken at #10 or later will need time. I have not noticed a lot of posters thinking otherwise. There is one fella who is indeed promising the Hall of Fame. Most other posters are more rational in their evaluations. For the record, I like Mahomes, Trubisky, and Watson. I just believe we need to address qb now. I think it's a pretty good draft class, not a bad one or "meh" as many seem to believe. None of them are can't miss. It's still a risk, but good teams evaluate well and minimize risk. That hasn't been us, of course, but it isn't metaphysically impossible for the Bills to draft a good qb.
All this assumes Taylor is not a franchise qb. Those who believe he is will naturally dissent.
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I can safely say i am so sick of hearing about this guy. I hope we don't draft him, and i hope he sucks. 60 page thread about a rookie we didn't even draft?! SMH
No one is forcing you to read the thread. Strange reaction to wish ill on a fella that way.
No, that is not the consensus. Project in football implies massive uncertainty and time. Who cares whether they start right away or sit for 8 games to a year? You draft a QB to change the fate of your franchise, not to fill in holes on your depth chart. That is if you have a real GM running your team.
If DW passes on a franchise qb, all the fans who want to fill positional holes on D or WR now instead will be calling for his head later.
Half of them will be telling you how they wanted Mahomes or Trubisky, etc.
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With that kind of logic, the only time the team won a championship, they were sporting the standing buffalo.
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Boy is that an enormous mischaracterization of the pro-Mahomes argument
And yet those who dismiss Mahomes continue to trot out this simplistic argument. Jeff George, Cutler, etc.
I won't make absolute claims: very few are impressed with arm strength alone. Obviously it is not determinative of future success.
Having a strong arm, however, joined with other necessary qualities, is undoubtedly a plus.
Playing in an Air Raid had nothing to do with with the defense. Mahomes was in an offense designed to throw the ball that often.
Do you treat being a qb for an Air Raid i.e. spread collegiate offense as equivalent to a bad character flaw that takes a player off your draft board -- or significantly lowers his draft value? Many qbs from this system were Johnny Football size fellas. Mahomes is different and I think he can develop, assuming he has good character, intelligence, and work ethic.
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I don't think anyone is arguing about next year. The question is whether Tyrod is a long term solution or a bridge qb.
If he's a bridge qb, don't you want the developmental qb on the roster "developing" so that the bridge is actually going somewhere?
Mahomes has prototypical size, athleticism, and a howitzer. He's creative and makes throws in spite of horrible mechanics.
1) the main point is to get the ball to the receiver. If he does that, I don't really care what his mechanics are.
2) the idea is to draft him to sit and learn for a year or two. It's up to our GM, scouts, and coaches to determine if the young man has the character, intelligence and adaptability to break bad habits and learn.
Tarring him with a "far worse version of Cutler" brush is patently unfair. We KNOW Cutler's ceiling, limits, and stubbornness. He's a finished product with flaws that were never fixed. We absolutely do not know this about Mahomes. Further, we do know he played on a team that was defensively terrible, so he knew he had to put up fifty points a game to compete. This might provide some context for "careless gunslinging." Imo, it's a mistake to pass on him if he's available at #10.
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should go with white standing bison full time best helmet ever. with all white uni's , top five in league!
This is my favorite, but the current unis are excellent. No to red helmets and no to infinity red helmets and color rush uniforms.
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lol "chaplain."
I hate that the NFL is so obviously Christian in just about every way. What does religion have to do with football?
NFL and Christian do not seem synonymous to me.
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You do that. I'm going to call it the way I see it. And I be tracking down everyone who
bashed me for saying lets draft a WR or Corner. Time will tell
Get out of your egocentric bubble. I was acknowledging the clever neo-logism; it has nothing to do with you.
And if you are tracking, I've made numerous pejorative comments about taking a cb and have been promoting Mahomes in many threads, including this one, including several posts right above this one.
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What are you taking about?
There's dozens and dozens of folks in this thread that have been all over this kid for a long time.
Finally someone gets it? You're either joking around or altogether acluistic
I'm going to add acluistic to my arsenal
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Shanahan would prefer Trubisky. Not worried about 49ers.
Hope so. I'm already looking forward to being supremely ticked off when the Bills pass on Mahomes at #10. It would ruin my whole draft to have to be angry the 49ers took him at #2
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if you want him you better trade to #1 because the 9ers are taking him at 2 brah
If this is true, he'll be a Niner. I can't see the Bills trading up to #1.
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I believe Mahomes is going to be featured on NFL Network's Path to the Draft tonight. If you want him, I think you have to take him at #10. Arizona may take him at #13. I'd be shocked if he made it to the second round. If he does, Cleveland either takes him or reaps a slew of picks. No way he makes it to #44.
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Oh, well. There goes the chance for the chaplain to break the tie in the draft war room.
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Good post, and we are more on the same page that it might look initially. I love drafting QB's and know we need to draft one this year. I don't see any of them being worth the 10th pick, so reaching usually gets teams in trouble and I don't want to reach for something that we aren't in dire need of. I wouldn't hate one in the 2nd, even though I still prefer to go a different direction in the 2nd (seems a great round to grab a DB or WR).
At the end of the day it comes down to this: We are in a rare draft that is deep and rich of value going into it. We have a LOT of holes and only 3 picks in the first 4 rounds and only 6 total. Lets focus on taking advantage of the depth of this draft and try and get 3 starters in the first 3 rounds because next years draft wont be anywhere near as good as this one at all the positions we need help at.
Then Tyrod gets a chance to see what he can do and improve on under better coaching, system stability, healthy Sammy, revamped WR group and what should also be a much improved defense. If Taylor doesnt progress, next year we have a lot less holes to fill and we can go all in on a QB, even possibly make a big trade up if its available at a top prospect if need be. But if we draft a meh QB this year and wiff on it, we are in a much worse position over the next few years than if we just focus on our real holes to reduce the amount of players we need on this team to take the next step.
The presupposition in your reasoning is that this year's class of qbs is "meh." If you are wrong there, much of your reasoning falls apart. I do agree this appears to be a draft rich at many areas of need, so I am not dismissive of your argument. However, I am also dubious that we will be in a position to trade up to get a franchise qb next year. I suspect Cleveland, SF, and a good number of other teams will be likely better equipped to grab an available franchise qb. For that reason, I think you take the shot now if you think there is a fella with a good chance to develop into a top-tier qb. Of course, if you think they are all long-shots, your strategy is more sound.
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Like GunnerBill, I like Watson. I think he'll go a lot earlier than folks think. I also like Mahomes. He's a risk, but we can afford to sit him and let him learn with Taylor's nice, bridge qb contract. I don't think these are "meh" qbs, so I would take a shot at them, probably Trubisky as well. Filling a "hole" that is an immediate need is short-term thinking, imo. We should go after the franchise qb if we think one of these fellas has a legitimate chance to become one.
ESPN removes Sage Steele from NBA Countdown
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Obviously nothing, but no one forced you to read the thread.