Dr. Who
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Absolutely heartbreaking. God have mercy.
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Of being a decent human being.
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NFL Network Path to the Draft (6 EST and rerun at 8, I think) is supposed to feature Mahomes today.
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Cardale is a long shot. I am not writing him off. I assume after a year with the team, the Bills have a fairly good idea of his potential.
If they are high on him, they won't take a qb early this year.
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My impression of many who want to defer qb till next year is that 1) most are severely underrating this qb class; those who aren't view them as at best a 1 in 3 chance to be good whilst viewing next year's top qbs as 1 in 2 or better and 2) they assume Taylor will prove to be a good qb and it won't be an issue or he will flop and our bad record will allow us to trade up or take a qb next year without needing to do so.
It may be a tired response, but I still think the 2018 class, like almost every class "next year," benefits from lack of scrutiny. Maybe Darnold and Rosen and the Wyoming qb Allen are really good, maybe they will regress; nobody really knows. Unless you finish worst or second worst and draft at the very top, you likely aren't trading up for a top qb. The teams in those spots will take them unless SF takes a qb this year and still finishes near worst (which is possible).
So, I find it ironic that advocates for "being sensible" and filling holes with less risky, more immediate impact players now are also largely buying in to "selling the farm" next year to get the qb they likely won't have an opportunity to purchase in any event. Won't the team have holes that need filling next year as well?
The bottom line is if you judge a qb has real potential to be a franchise qb and you are in a position to draft him this year, it is utterly foolish to go in a different direction. We have tried the "different direction" for two decades and it has gotten us 1999 and counting.
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No it didn't. What got us to the top 3rd of the league in scoring is how well the whole team played.
Scoring is NOT a QB stat. It is a whole offense stat, with actually a large measure of defensive and STs play, probably 20 - 30%. Our offense had top ten average drive start field position. And we also were in the top ten of the league in terms of scoring by the defense/STs.
And as for the part of scoring that is purely offensive, our pass game sucked and our run game was terrific.
Our run game led the league in TDs and was 25% higher than the next best team, whereas our pass game was 27th in the league in TDs.
We had 29 running TDs and 17 passing TDs, in a league where not a single other team had more running TDs than passing.
Enough with pretending that Tyrod deserves all or even most of the credit for this. Give him credit for being at terrific runner and not a very good passer. Give the whole offense and mostly the run game credit for that scoring and throw a large chunk of that credit to the STs and defense.
Well stated, but folks will just come back at you that the run game was strong because of Tyrod. (He probably does help as the D has to account for another runner, but overall, a genuinely good qb is certainly something this team lacks and has lacked for nearly twenty years.)
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What I found most interesting (and I have liked Gabriel's take on the QB class all year to be honest) is that he is someone who still has decent links into the Bears organisation and he believes they are going Quarterback at #3. My ex boss has a very good personal friend who has done some work for the Bears in the past and says the same thing. I am surprised a lot more of the mockers are not matching Chicago with a Quarterback. That is the way I really see them going. You have to ignore the Glennon deal. Pretty much all the guaranteed $$$ is this year.
He also thinks the NC coach was a bonehead for posting the pic of the Bills coach and owner when they were there to look at Trubisky. While a lot of folks think the Bryce Petty wine and dine is proof that the Bills interest in qb is a smokescreen, Gabriel thinks the presence of the owner signifies real interest in the position. Thinks the Bills at #10 will pick the third qb off the board (apparently either Kizer or Mahomes.) So, this is a meh qb class . . .
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John C. made this post in another thread:
The attached link is a WGR interview with Greg Gabriel. He talks about the qb class and his belief that the class is better than many non NFL analysts indicate. He pointed out that the top part of the class is going to be drafted in a rather short order.
http://www.wgr550.co...-mike-schoppmp3
Note: The relevant part of the interview is from about the 7 minute to shortly after the 11 minute mark. It's pretty interesting.
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Dobbs is my pick as well if we take a late round flier.
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that would be where we differ, I don't think that will be the case.
Yes, I think teams actually have the qbs rated higher than the popular view among most pundits and there are too many qb needy teams, including teams like the Cards and Steelers with aging vets that will be looking to add qb early. I don't really include Kizer, though I suspect he will go before #44 as well. Mahomes, Trubisky, and Watson are the qbs I am interested in. If one of them is there at #44, I will be very surprised. I will then be apoplectic when the Bills pass on whoever is there to take a different player.
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I think you are way off on the quality of this qb draft class. Most likely they will be very Billsy and recycle cb.
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i don't think it's 2013. More like 2014. I'm good with the pick coming in the 2nd if they really like one. I think Zach Cunningham is McD's type of player and will be our pick somewhere mid to later first after trading back.
You may be right, but all the qbs worth taking will be long gone by #44.
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Astro had some sort of predictive filter a while back that had us taking Trubisky at #10 and Cam Robinson at #44.
I said I would be happy with that and you said
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Because this draft is so rich with talent on the defensive side more teams will desire trading down than moving up. That will result in the value of the return to trade down to be less. The so-called value chart will be devalued.
You make an excellent observation that pivot points will come quickly in this draft, starting with San Fran. Do they go for a qb or do they play it cautiously and go with the best player? If they take a qb then the the fallout for the other qbs is going to happen sooner in this draft than later.
As I have often stated to the point of belaboring the point the Bills will be making a big mistake if they don't select a qb with their first pick, including trading down to still do so.
Well, I'm with you and Jeffismagic on this -- and I absolutely see the scheme fit with lb and Foster, Bills weak at lb, etc. -- but if we pass on Trubisky and Mahomes to fill a hole on D, it will be more of the same bad strategy. I think this qb class is underrated. The fact that they all need a year of seasoning has folks buying that this is 2013 redux. It's not. Ah, well, at least this mock, it isn't another cb.
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That clip with Kizer and Mooch shows us what Kizer showed every team he visited with at the Combine. There were quotes coming out all week that Kizer was crushing interviews and blowing away coaches with his work on the whiteboard. Of all the QBs coming out this year he may have the highest FBI. Watson was the other QB said to have won big during his interviews, displaying his leadership and team-first mentality.
And it was just recently said this week that NFL teams and coaches are a lot higher on these QBs than the media/online scouts and us armchair GMs, A couple of these guys are going to be very good players. This isn't 2013 and some are treating it like it is, there are some NFL quality QBs coming out this year.
Yes, I believe this is correct. Yet a Bills' insider (Leroi) claims our interest is all smokescreen designed to get one of a designated handful of players 2 wr, 1 te, 1 cb, 1 de to fall to us. This could be more disinformation, of course, or rank speculation, though I have been told by various long-time members here that Leroi is legit. This disappoints me, as I like a number of qbs and franchise qb trumps other needs in my view.
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Recent history shows our supposed QB interest is more likely a smokescreen than not. I remember us loving Carson Wentz, and having dinner with Garrett Grayson, and before that it was Ryan Nassib as our potential 1st pick. Don't believe anything you hear this time of the offseason.
I was not being sarcastic. Leroi is supposedly a real insider and he says it is a smokescreen.
I don't agree with OBD's strategy, but it is what it is as they say.
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Someone has to maintain the high standards of TSW...
Message board proofreader is a full-time job. Watch out for Trubinsky . . .
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You sure about that?
33, Cosell -- you happy now?
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You can't discount the TDs either, the guy have 50 combined. 50/17 is not a bad ratio, that is +43.
I am reliably told by many on this board that the qb interest is a smokescreen, so apparently none of this matters.
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Revised mock seems very plausible. Bills cycle first round cbs --- novel tactic.
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He has proven not to be on multiple occasions.
My recollection is he is hit and miss, so I am uncertain if he is really speculating or not. I have not paid very close attention, however, so maybe you're right. As I said, if so, this does not encourage me that OBD is on the right track. I'll repeat what I've said in a few other threads Leroi has contributed to: we likely get the first WR at #10. Maybe someone takes Howard, but this is a deep draft at TE. It is also a deep draft at DB. The positions Leroi says we are targeting don't need a smokescreen, do they? Only thing I can figure is DE and maybe wanting a specific player to fall.
Imo
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If the Bills pass on a Mahomes or Trubisky to get a player like OJ or Corey Davis they are even dumber than I thought.
If McDermott pulls a Dick Jauron draft and falls on his face then we hired the wrong guy.
And lots of folks here would applaud it
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The way it is used in thread it means anyone who disagrees with me or disagrees strongly with me. Not actually the definition, maybe it was on another board that no longer exists?
What is sad is how angry people get just because some of don't see a secret Russell Wilson about to take flight. And when the Buffalo Bills decided to not pick up the option the evidence is the Bills view Tyrod as a place holder, not a franchise QB.
The Bills interest in QBs in the draft? Just a smokescreen so that another wide receiver or tight end drops to the Bills because we're gonna build an offense around Tyrod.
What WR is going before #10? All this is a ruse to make sure Howard is available? That's a very implausible scenario being spun. This is a deep year at TE and DB.
On the other hand, this is OBD, so who knows?
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The fact that McD said it could be a smokescreen, and both John Murphy and Sal said they think it's a smokescreen, I'm thinking it isn't.
Leroi also says smokescreen, so I am inclined to agree with you.
Imo
Source: Bills Still Deciding on Watkins' 5th Year Option
in The Stadium Wall Archives
Posted · Edited by Dr. Who
I'm rather hoping for Chris Godwin, Penn St. wr, in the second.
I really would like Mahomes, Trubisky, or Watson in the first.
They will probably go lb, cb or something like that.
Oh, and I can't see them not adding the fifth year after the price paid to get Sammy.
If he can stay healthy, he is elite.