Dr. Who
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so...what i'm getting out of this is some people want to take a qb at 10 no matter what. even if there isn't one quite worthy of that spot, or there's a better projected player. i'm all for a new qb, but i certainly don't have it in my head that if it's not at 10, it's a failure.
I think that is an exaggeration. Most, like myself, who advocate for qb think the importance of the position and the perceived limits of Taylor mean one should weight one's evaluation in favor of a qb with a reasonable probability of becoming a franchise qb. I'd prefer a "sure thing" player at another position of need over a "long shot" overdrafted qb. On the other hand, I would take a greater risk on a qb over a position player. It's a nuanced deliberation. I simply disagree with those who are convinced this is a weak qb class of long shots.
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I think Trubisky, Watson, Mahomes and Kizer all go before #44. Webb, may go before then as well.
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I would like to draft a qb who can throw with anticipation.
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John Murphy on WGR just now. Don't draft a QB top ten because it sends the message to the fans that you are not a contender this year.
The stupidity of this football team is only matched by its puppets.Sawdust for brains. If Murphy is the talking head for OBD, no bueno.
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There seems to be ambiguity about what constitutes a franchise qb.
As I understand the term, franchise qb is around a top ten qb or better who is capable of lifting the play of mediocre players.
One could have a 15 to 20 overall qb that would not make that criteria.
I would not equate franchise qb with a drafted rookie who is ready to start day one.
That is very rarified quality. If one thinks Elway or Luck is franchise qb, there are only a few of that sort available a decade and they always go #1 overall.
It is therefore very imprudent to only be okay with a first round qb who meets such a strict criteria.
For this qb class, the question is whether one or more of them are likely to develop into the initial stated criteria.
Are Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson, Kizer, etc. appreciably more likely to hit that ceiling than mid-round prospects?
Are any of them coin flips or better or are they all long shots? How one judges the percentages probably dictates how eager one is to draft a qb early.
The rhetorical question of how will one feel if a first round qb fails begs the question. No one wants to draft any player who will fail.
Assuming they will fail could easily be matched with the contrary. How will you feel if the Bills pass on a future franchise caliber qb?
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Copy pasted from another thread here regarding Kizer.
Is he worth a second round pick? Would he be there in the second round?
Blokestradamus said:
If he makes it to 44, I'd sprint to the podium. Trouble is, I can't see him falling out of the first round (HOU and KC primarily). If he does, like Jeff mentioned earlier, there's a gaggle of teams in the 33-39 range that might pass on a QB early and eye up DeShone at that point.
If NYG or OAK want to offer a trade down that nets a 2018 1st and we pick 23/24, crucially before the Texans, I'd consider him. Although the Dolphins might help the Texans out in that scenario to thwart the drafting a QB to their division rivals. I've thought way too much about this, haven't I?
Long story short, I'd support them drafting him. I think he's got every physical and intellectual tool required, just needs a little nurturing.
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Terrific analysis and post. You and a few other draftniks here are illuminating. You sparkle!
Creative and imaginative organizations find a way to get a necessary deal done. Dullard and sluggish organizations don't. This is a situation where a medium trade down would be a wise strategy to take. Working the board smartly and calculating risks takes a talent that this organization hasn't too often exhibited.
Alas, we are dullard and sluggish most of the time.
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And why do they rely on the run? Tyrod has had two different coordinators and neither had any desire to put the ball in Tyrod's hands as a passer. Roman talked about opening up the offense after 2015 and he got fired after 2 games in 2016. Lynn smartly simplified the offense and kept the ball out of Tyrod's hands as a passer. When Tyrod was forced to throw the ball in close games or in the 4th quarter we all saw the results. Not pretty.
if Dennison tries to pass the ball too much with Tyrod he will be the next out the door.
You are arguing with a fella who is founding member of the Tyrod fan club. Let it go.
I hope he's right, btw, but I think he is abysmally wrong.
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If we are not drafting a QB, it is strategically stupid to be linked to any of them before Draft Day. MOst trade-ups in the first round happen to select a QB (our beloved Bills are the exception with Watkins and Manuel
)Now we give incentives for teams to trade up with teams just ahead of us. If we are serious about trading down, we should keep our interest in any quarterback secret and instead have the focus on the QB needs of the Saints and Browns (who draft after us).
This has been my thought as well, though it seems the logic is not about picking up extra picks but having a coveted player fall to us.
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I concur. Leroi did not suggest Whaley would be able to pick Mahomes, so I take it McD wants to go another direction, which is both short-sighted and the traditional Bills way of doing things.
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Pegula's favorite sport is hockey. It's my opinion he has a better understanding of the unique culture, environment and required roster building in that unique sport. When he evaluated the hockey GM he saw a team where not only were there talent deficiencies but the talent didn't particularly fit. Again, although Pegula has an amateur eye toward hockey he has a keen eye. He recognized that the team wasn't responding to the coach. What sealed the fate of Bylsma is after the week long break when the team was still in the playoff race the team appeared to quit. Even amateurs can see the obvious.
No coach or organizational employee working for him in any sport can ever claim that he is being short-changed resources to do his job. The Ralph Wilson restrictive environment albatross is history. The problem isn't that the Pegulas provide enough money it may be that he doesn't wisely provide the money. The downside for the employees is that with the financial commitment there is a high level of accountability that will be attached to the support.
Terry Pegula has made some big time mistakes in his new vocation of a pro sports owner. The upside to his struggles with the learning curve is that he evaluates outcomes and doesn't tolerate excuses.
Whaley is up high walking a tight rope and he is doing it in a wind storm. To put it mildly he is in a precarious position.
If I'm Doug Whaley, I am pushing hard to draft a potential franchise qb. Buys me a growth year and it is the best single factor determining long term success. Resident insider, Leroi, claims Whaley likes Mahomes and has him in the top five, though he also said it is fluid. Have no idea, but if DW thinks that highly of Mahomes and he is there at ten, how do you rationally pass on him?
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I can't believe TM was fired at such a critical time.
Expansion draft , regular draft , wheeling and dealing trades to be made
Timing is terrible and any deals TM had negotiated with Vegas are obviously gone.
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Pegulas have no idea what they're doing and the Bills and Sabres will never win a championship
That's the spirit.
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And yet many here will continue to parrot this is a weak qb draft class line. Combine that with folks who think Taylor is a good starting qb . . . too sad for words.
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That would be Trubisky. Marrone and Coughlin too conservative to go Mahomes.
Marrone is Coughlin's puppet.
They were speculating Watson, I think.
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I'm surprised about GMTM. Glad to see Bylsma go. Always liked Sutter. Guess we'll find out.
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Well now the Bills seem to know how to scout QB's. Question remains if they value the position properly and realize other teams want these players too.
I am going to maintain some stealth hope, but my official position is going to be glum. Smokescreen
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I think if Cleveland wants Trubisky we can land Mahomes. Time for us to figure out what is happening and not be left standing when the music stops.
I think we are clueless. Usually look forward to the draft -- what else is there for Bills' fans?
This year, I am expecting to be disappointed and angry. My expectations are lowered to the point where not taking a cb at #10 will seem like a small victory.
And we will probably take a cb.
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I realize that you are angry, but state facts instead of whining about inaccuracies.
He's started 70% of the games that have been played since he's been in the NFL, and he's extremely productive when on the field.
He had a foot injury that he played through in 2015, and smoked the rest of the league over the final 9 games that season (when they finally started making him the focal point of the passing game).
Has availability held him back? Yes. Is it anywhere near as bad as you're claiming? No.
Now go find another team to cheer for since you've said multiple times that you're done with this one.
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Bills have a visit scheduled for tomorrow, 4/20 at Clemson to meet with Deshaun Watson.
Imo
Is this more smokescreen or are they actually interested? If the latter, do they actually think he's falling to #44, because he isn't. If the former, I think its overkill at this point.
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Really, really hope the MT slips to 10, we wake up from this train wreck nightmare and draft him.
It would def. be a very early Xmas present for me.
BUT, the Billsy thing to do will be drafting a DB (to replace the former 1st rd 10th pick from 2012) and letting him walk after 4-5 years cause we don't want to pay for the production we drafted him at. I can already see it coming.
I was on here yesterday lamenting the cb recycle thing and a couple of very decent, long-time posters here were perfectly fine with it. It made sense to them to get a quality cb on the cheap since we let Gilmore walk. I surmise they also think Taylor is better than I do.
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Ahh, maybe he's going to be our #2 RB.
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Teams with aging franchise qbs are in WIN NOW mode. I doubt the roster as presently constructed is even a wild card contender. Fill the holes mentality is the usual Bills way of drafting for most of the last two decades. Hasn't produced a lot of wins. I have heard some experts claim Dennison's offense does not require a highly skilled qb. Well, Bucky Brooks said so on NFL Network yesterday. Personally, I want a highly skilled qb. I think franchise qb provides sustained, long-term winning. If you think Tyrod is going to be that, you obviously don't want a qb. I don't buy into the line that this is a weak qb class. I think it's a pretty good qb class, but they need a year of seasoning. As I think Tyrod is a bridge qb and nothing more, I'd like to have the developmental qb developing so the bridge actually goes somewhere.
It's fine to disagree. It's not fine to act as if the opposing view has no plausible rationale behind it.
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I don't think everyone is on the hate Whaley train. Those who dislike him are very vocal which exaggerates their number.
The mitigating circumstances would be difficult for any GM to deal with. I like him, but if Leroi's big board is correct, I have my doubts that Whaley is the main force in deciding who we draft. I suspect qb would be a priority, not a smokescreen. Regardless, maybe my speculation is off-base; on balance, I think Whaley is actually slightly above average, so not the worst in the league.
Andy Benoit on Bills and draft
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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The consensus seems to be that this is an especially good draft year at defensive back.
This does not make me automatically want to draft one early. It makes me think I can get a high quality cb later in the draft.
I would concentrate on the positions of draft scarcity early on. Unfortunately, for some positions, like rt, there is no good price point in this draft.